Talk:List of storms in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season

Please no
Please no. --Golbez 02:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * But look how much more room there is in the main article to add information of substance now! In the words of Eric: "remove the tedious details, it's that simple. We don't need them, get rid of them.". Jdorje 03:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Like what substance? I found the storms rather substantial. --Golbez 06:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Like the sections on the main page other than the storms section. Jdorje 23:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this is ridiculous. --CFIF 00:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Images/templates
I hate templates because is very hard and messy working with them!! And also, in need some help with them. And last, where are the images for TD 10 ans STD 22? It is very annoying seeing them with no image. I tried to upload one, but those mean templates didn't let me do it. juan andrés 19:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There is no track map for depressions. Jdorje 23:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I have no problem now with templates. I think they are easy to use and organize really well. I think my previous comment was not well fundamented. juan andrés 01:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Revert

 * Someone reverted the main page; I reverted this page to match. The two pages need to be consistent. Jdorje 18:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Title incorrect
If we really intend to keep this separate page (doubtful!) then the title is incorrect. Not all tropical systems are storms, as you can easily tell reading the section headers! Awolf002 20:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh, what? Which of them are not storms? Jdorje 22:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

See 3.3 Tropical Depression Ten... Awolf002 22:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Um, it was a storm. Just like Tropical Storm Arlene and Hurricane Emily and the thunderstorm I was in earlier today are storms. Jdorje 00:15, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The current title is... well, bad. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 00:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Cindy's box
Why has Cindy got an infobox but none of the other storms have? Jamie C 21:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I added it as a demonstration, then asked a couple of people about it, but got no real opinions. The question is: should all storms be changed to use the infobox, or should the infobox be dropped? Jdorje 23:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I think all of them should have it.Icelandic Hurricane 13:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Same here it's a neat way of putting the information. Jamie C 13:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Just make sure to double-check the numbers to see if I made any mistakes. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 04:00, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The text now wraps in the infoboxes (the date line). For the small infoboxes, maybe we should leave out the year? Jdorje 23:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Tropical Storm 27?
Since even the NHC admits the possibility of an unamed storm, shouldn't we mention it. In Gamma's TRC, it said there was a possibility that the low that Gamma absorbed could have been the low absorbing Gamma. Personally, I think it existed. Note: If TS 27 did exist, then it would have been when "Gamma" reached TS strength for less than 6 hours.Icelandic Hurricane 21:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think both articles already imply it, though maybe as sentence to both this article and Gamma's article can be added noting that "if it were the other way around, TD27 would have been an unnamed tropical storm". --AySz88 ^ -  ^  02:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Bar
I added the button bar because it needed it. By preference please do not take it off. And, how old is Cindy's upgrade news? juan andrés 02:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It's been out for just a couple of days. I also saw in the paper that Cindy's wind speed may have been as high as 90 mph. Good kitty 20:37, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

TD10, TD19, STD22
TD19 and STD22 don't have infoboxes, but TD10 does. Should we remove the infobox from the TD10 section, since all of the depressions only have one image? &mdash; Super-Magician (talk • contribs • count ) ★ 16:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I was considering that; might as well, since it might not be necessary for the depressions. --AySz88 ^ -  ^  19:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added it. If depressions can't have infoboxes, then no storm can.--24.19.187.69 20:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem with that is that depressions don't have storm track pictures, and everything else does, and that's why I didn't add them when I went through and added infoboxes to the entire article. Having the "Not available" image show up is worse than not having an infobox. I'm all for taking out the infoboxes from the TDs. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 23:13, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not have Jdorje make them then? --Pikachu90000 23:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember him saying why not, but I can't find it anywhere. Go ask him. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 23:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I cannot make tracks for historical depressions because they are not included in the best track file. I think I could wing it for modern storms by basing it on the best-track data included in the TCRs.  However I would rather not do so because since this data isn't migrated into the best-track file there would be no way to update the images. Jdorje 00:23, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Basically it just seems like the NHC doesn't consider depressions to be "tropical cyclones" as such. They are tropical, but not fully cyclonic.  We've had the argument before about whether they should be included in the seasonal pages at all, but we've never actually come to any conclusions. Jdorje 00:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The other problem I see is that the "unavailable" image does not say "unavailable," but "non-disponible" as the templates were borrowed from the French Wikipedia. If someone could change it to "unavailable" it would be a great improvement. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 01:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * How is this? It's not 100% the same, but I tried to make it look like it. Here is a copy of it with no text. I don't think it can work with the grey background as it is. It needs transparencies (which I don't know how to do). -- RattleMan 07:07, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I just figured out how to do transparencies, and have edited the Template:Infobox hurricane small template with the new image.-- RattleMan 00:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why we can't make tracks for the modern tropical depressions. Just because they are not in the best track doesn't mean anything. "Be bold". Don't we want as much information as possible? I highly support making tracks for depressions.Icelandic Hurricane 15:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

"List of..."
I've moved this page to "List of 2005 Atlantic hurricane season storms" as the article is clearly a list, albeit a detailed one. Please discuss here rather than immediately reverting. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 03:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is a list. The only reason not to call it one is that almost every season article is just a list (the only real exception is the 2005 AHS one). Jdorje 04:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Monthly sections
Currently the top-level sections are months. I created this just because it was easier than making all the individual-storm-sections one level higher. But is it a good thing? I'm not sure. Jdorje 08:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been wondering that myself. My gut reaction was "no" but I don't know. --Golbez 15:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Intro
If we ever want to try to get this article promoted to a featured list, the intro will need to be rewritten; a one-liner is clearly not enough. It should be relatively similar to the itnro for the 2005 season page, but with more emphasis on the individual storms. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 17:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

From the new intro:


 * The most notable storms of the season were the five Category 4 hurricanes: Dennis, Emily, Katrina, Rita, and Wilma. These storms made a combined twelve landfalls as major hurricanes (Category 3 strength or higher) throughout Cuba, Mexico, and the United States, causing over $100 billion (2005 USD) in damages and at least 1,872 deaths.

I like this text. Hopefully I added up the landfalls properly: Dennis (3), Emily (3), Katrina (2), Rita (1), Wilma (3). &mdash; jdorje (talk) 19:17, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Emily made three landfalls? Did it cross directly over Cozumel? I was under the impression that it just brushed the island. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 14:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we'll have to wait for the TCR to know for sure. &mdash; jdorje (talk) 18:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Jose
Just curious; I wasn't into hurricanes until Katrina (because my aunt, uncle, and cousins were in it), and I was wondering how you pronounce Jose. Is it José? Or is Joh-see?Icelandic Hurricane 15:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably /xose/ (i.e. as in the Spanish first-name), but don't cite me on it. Circeus 19:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Then how come there is no accent mark over the e?Icelandic Hurricane 21:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Just an educated guess: probably for ease of typing and/or because é doesn't exist in English.... --AySz88 ^ -  ^  04:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably correct. The names are designed to be easily written and pronounced by native speakers of English, Spanish, French and Dutch (the languages of the Caribbean), and accents are not used in English and Dutch. —<b style="color:darkgreen;">Cuiviénen</b> (<b style="color:darkblue;">Cuivië</b>) 18:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I asked my spanish teacher and she said, Hose. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 19:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, that comment was only two years too late, but anyway, that's correct. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  20:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Irene
Now that the article is gone, did anyone bother to put all the information into the storm article? Is it necessary to have the merge tag differentiated from the delete one if its all going away? Shouldn't the person who nominates articles for deletion be responsible for putting the info back into the parent article? It's so easy to nominate these things that its routine here to destroy others' work. My suggestion is that everyone vote Oppose on these polls until the necessary changes have been made to the parent articles. Good kitty 19:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The person who does the merger is responsible for moving the data over as well. Many times this is not done properly.  However I don't know if that's the case here (the storms list article is fairly complete). &mdash; jdorje (talk) 20:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

EMILY!
Is Emily really a category five? AWESOME!! I TOTALLY KNEW IT!! Cyclone1 20:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Why didn't Grenada try to retire Emily?? tdwuhs

Beta's Information
Beta's info still says that it was the 13th hurricane to form.Shouldnt it be changed to 14th? I know that Cindy was upgraded in her report, but i think it should be renoted. The 13th hurricane thing should be added to Wilma.HurricaneCraze32 22:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Featured List?
Beta's report is out, and this article is looking strong. Are there any objections to nominating this as a featured list? — Cuivi é  nen , Wednesday, 5 April 2006 @ 02:16 (UTC)
 * I'm going to go for it even though this message has only been up for a couple of hours. — Cuivi é  nen , Wednesday, 5 April 2006 @ 03:40 (UTC)
 * Wait a bit so we can send 2005 Atlantic hurricane season at the same time... Tito xd (?!? - help us) 03:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Er, never mind... Tito xd (?!? - help us) 03:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

TOC width issues
The current hand-crafted TOC is problematic because it cannot scale in width. If you make your web browser narrower, you will inevitebly have to scroll horizontally. This is a major problem, and I do not see how to fix it. If it does stay fixed-width, however, I think the storms table itself should be 8x4 instead of 11x3. — jdorje (talk) 04:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Individual Storms?
I didnt know where to put this, but why do only the somewhat insignificant storms have "Warnings and Watches" and "Changes is Post Season Analysis" sections? I know that the more significant storms have enough info already, but if we're going to do those to sections, it would be better if all the storms had them, not just the insignificant ones.  Jamie |  <i style="color:red;">C</i>  21:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * That is because that is what I added in extra content for the minor storms. I held off creating the rest for now due to the vote. When that is over, I will go through the rest of the articles (though the biggest storms, like Katrina and so on won't get it). Nilfanion 22:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that it must be consistent, and I do not think the "Post Season Analysis" section is useful. This is just trivia filler; if anything drastically changed in the analysis it can be mentioned in the storm history section.  Also, the "Warnings and Watches" should just be put in the "Preparations" section that is common for most storms. — jdorje (talk) 06:40, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep, I agree Jdorje, I was just adding more facts to the articles. I just added the content in a way that it is clear what has been added, as everything in the "forecasting" section is new beyond the list article. If as seems likely we go ahead with all storms, this information should be better arranged. IMO a "forecasting" section might be appropriate judging from Epsilons article. I think the analysis probably shouldn't be mentioned in the history (as that is what the storm did, not what they thought at the time) but that a forecasting section is a more sensible location (without subheadings). The "Warnings" should be put into "Preparations" or "Impact" in storms without it. The ACE comments are just trivia and should be in "Trivia" and a comment on that, I've been getting the pre-TCR ACE numbers from diffs on the stats page, how can that be sourced? Nilfanion 10:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Unnamed Subtropical Storm
It's official, it occurred! PDF: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL312005_Unnamed_Subtropical_Storm.pdf --The Great Zo 22:55, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Can we rename this list?
For someone who is not familiar with "Atlantic hurricane season" as a technical term, the list title looks rather clumsy. Why not move to "List of Atlantic tropical cyclones in 2005", or "List of 2005 tropical cyclones in the Atlantic" or something like that? (And yes, I know that there has been a storm that lasted into 2006, but as it already existed in 2005 that does not invalidate my point). Kosebamse 11:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I believe it should be the opposite; the Southern Hemisphere should be broken up into the areas of responsibilities. I'm sure we could find enough info to add to each new article. Icelandic Hurricane #12 11:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no particular opinion on the rename; the current name exists because it is a daughter article of 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. — jdorje (talk) 15:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Which is exactly my point, the list has inherited the phrase from its mother article and that makes it look clumsy. Kosebamse 16:36, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * List of 2005 Atlantic hurricanes would be acceptable, I suppose. — Cuivi é  nen  , Tuesday, 18 April 2006 @ 20:36 UTC 
 * Actually, on second thought, that makes it sound as if 2005 hurricanes formed. List of Atlantic hurricanes in 2005 is just as clumsy but the best alternative. — Cuivi é  nen  , Tuesday, 18 April 2006 @ 20:37 UTC 
 * I think that the current name is fine because it makes it clear what the scope of the list is. And I'm sure that most people know Atlantic hurricanes (usually) form in a season. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * List of storms in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season? -- ALoan (Talk) 21:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That one sounds all right. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 21:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Thinking again, you could even leave the "list of" off - Storms in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season (or Storms of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season). -- ALoan (Talk) 22:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That is the best alternative suggested, though I don't think it's particularly better (or worse) than the current name. The "List of" prefix I believe is needed, since, well, the article is a list. — jdorje (talk) 00:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Jose
Sincerely, is there a better picture of Jose out in there? juan andrés 19:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I found this one, looks pretty good for a 50mph TS.

Pikachu9000 02:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Not bad. Is there any one that shows the "forming eyewall" mentioned in the article? Hurricanehink 02:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * From the TCR: "Imagery from the Mexican radar at Alvarado indicates that an eyewall was developing as the center made landfall at 0330 UTC 23 August". Images from that time:, . I'm going to try to find some other images. -- RattleMan 02:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Bret
OK with Jose. Well done, but I like more the other picture of Bret. juan andrés 02:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Summary of storms
It seems to me that the summary descriptions of the storms place too much emphasis on the trivia, which is best dealt with in the individual storm articles, rather than the more significant stuff. For example fully a third of Philippe's summary is "This marked only the third time that the 'P' name had been used to name an Atlantic storm since alphabetical naming began in 1950. The other times were for Pablo in 1995 and Peter in 2003." It seems like this article needs a thorough going over after the all-storms decision, even if we do NOT make any radical changes (which could be sensible). In addition to this there are factual errors like Alpha's entry has not been updated in light of the unnamed storm.--Nilfanion 12:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Absolutely. — jdorje (talk) 03:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Could we modify and update Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season/Sandbox for placement on this page? All it really needs is images of each storm as well as tracks) and a good run-through to update it for it to be a solid and condensed way of presenting the information (and still being FL-worthy). — Cuivi é  nen  , Friday, 5 May 2006 @ 15:55 UTC 
 * We would need to add in and Tropical Storm Zeta.  &mdash; Super-Magician (talk &bull; contribs &bull; count ) &#x2605; 00:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And all the tweaks, like the TS -> H for Cindy. I think we should work on that, just update from the article infoboxes.--Nilfanion (talk) 10:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Subtropical "Storm" 22?
When I've been looking at Subtropical Depression 22, it showed that near the end of the cyclone's life, it reached tropical sotrm strngth which I think we should upgrade this depression into a storm like another "unnamed subtropical storm" or "Subtropical Storm 22L" because it is still the same system. Any comments or responses? Alastor Moody (talk) 09:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Look at the track map, that's how I found it (in the first place). Also it was still a subtropical storm around at time when it reached TS strength. Alastor Moody (talk) 09:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Bug the NHC about it, or prove it. Otherwise, it's just original research. Tito xd (?!?) 09:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * [[image:22-L 2005 track.png|right|200px]]
 * Might just be an error on the map. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 09:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, whoever must have created made a mistake then, and if so, then this discussion was a complete waste. Alastor Moody (talk) 09:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, its simple. Subtropical depression 22 became extratropical. Whilst the storm was extratropical it gained TS force winds. Therefore it is an STD - read the TCR.--Nilfanion (talk) 10:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Circle = tropical, square = subtropical, triangle = extratropical/low.--Nilfanion (talk) 10:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But remember, since it is still the same system, this oughtta be a SS rather than a SD. Alastor Moody (talk) 22:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No. EXTRAtropical = NO LONGER TROPICAL AT ALL, NOT EVEN SUBTROPICAL. Chacor 01:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, shouldn't triangles be subtropical while squares be ex-tropical. Alastor Moody (talk) 22:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay Chacor no need to yell, even if it was ex-tropical, whoever created it must have made an error so this disscusion/agruement must have been a waste. Sorry to say, but I am currently busy in the western pacific basin so I won't be able to visit here frequently. Alastor Moody (talk) 19:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is a waste of time if you cannot see why subtropical depression 22 was a depression.--Nilfanion (talk) 19:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you are my waste of time. Alastor Moody (talk) 20:02, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dude, chill out. Remember, Don't attack other users. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 20:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hurricane Katrina TCR updated
Hurricane Katrina has had its TCR updated, according to the NHC.

The report says "Updated 10 August 2006 for tropical wave history, storm surge, tornadoes, surface observations, fatalities, and damage cost estimates" PDF/Word Chacor 11:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Hurricane Rita TCR updated
Rita's TCR has received updates too, as of 14 August 2006. PDF Word Chacor 02:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hurricane Wilma TCR updated
Hurricane Wilma has had her update as well... Updated 28 September 2006 for one additional fatality in Grand Bahama Island, a revised U.S. damage estimate, and storm surge and damage in Grand Bahama Island.

PDF Word – Chacor 14:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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Relocation
It's a little strange that the 2005 season still has the old storm list article while every other season includes the list of systems in the main article. I think we should move the contents of this page to the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season article. What do you all think

CooperScience (talk) 23:41, 11 March 2018 (UTC)CooperScience
 * Strongly disagree The 2005 main page is already very large in bytes and merging it would make it way too big. Plus, the sheer amount of storms in 2005 (28) deserves to have its own page. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 23:51, 11 March 2018 (UTC)