Talk:List of sunken battleships

French BB Danton (sunk 1917) just found
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7898890.stm Gaintes (talk) 18:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

IJS Hiei and Kirishima
These two battleships were damaged in battles around the Solomons Island in 1942 and then either sunk or scuttled (in situations like that of the Lutzow, which appears on the list). Should they be added? There are wiki articles on both.Gaintes (talk) 23:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

photos
here are a few links to photos taken by the US Navy of japanese battleships on the list: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h62000/h62582.jpg http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h62000/h62580.jpg http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h90000/h90773.jpgGaintes (talk) 22:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

query
Great list, but one question. Why the distinction between sunk in combat and sunk by mines and torpedoes. Some ships (Irresistible) in the combat section were sunk by mines. Is it an "in action" distinction?Gaintes (talk) 21:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Editors
Welcome! I hope you enjoy improving this article as much as I did constructing it. My vision for this article is that it focuses on information related to the loss and current status of these ships, and that it enables understanding of the similarities and dissimilarities in: My vision is that this article is generally "subservient" to the general article about battlecruisers and "subservient" to all the specific articles about the individual ships. Interesting information about the career histories of the various individual ships should be contributed to the individual ship-specific articles. Key summary information about each ship is appropriate here. Beyond summary information, however, I believe that all the interesting details about a specific ship should be used to expand the article on that specific ship.
 * The story of the loss of these ships.
 * The current conditions of these ships.
 * Issues in preserving the remains of these ships.

Warning to Editors
Once you get beyond the most famous ships, I think you'll find a great deal of conflicting, incomplete, inaccurate, or misleading information on the Internet about warships. I've read puzzling articles about Chilean aircraft carriers battling Japanese submarines and about a Spanish armada destroying Admiral Darlan's most modern ships. It is hard to tell if these are reprinted 1930s era propaganda or modern alternative history fiction. The Internet can be an "echo chamber" where incorrect "facts" get re-used and re-printed over and over, making it hard to properly utilize the journalistic rule about three independent sources for a fact.

When contemplating adding historical facts about these ships, please be careful about your sources and references, so that you don't import external errors and misinformation into Wikipedia.

Invitation to Contributors
We need more pictures! As there are separate articles about many of these ships, I would recommend that we only include here pictures related to the sinking or to exploration or conservation of the wrecks. We need to find available pictures and properly import them into Wiki Commons for us to use.

Much of the information in this article should be a subset of information in the articles about the individual warships. The following ships did not have any individual articles, or had only the slimmest of stubs. You are particularly invited to research the following ships and build or improve their specific articles:


 * SMS Thüringen
 * SMS Helgoland
 * SMS Oldenburg
 * SMS Prinz Eugen
 * SMS Viribus Unitis (Extensive information available on alternate language Wikipedia)
 * SMS Kronprinz Wilhelm
 * SMS Schlesien
 * Navarin, (Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905)
 * Russian battleship Petropavlovsk (1897), Petropavlovsk class battleship, (Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905)
 * Petropavlovsk of WWII
 * Sissoi Veliky (Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905)
 * Oslyabya (Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905)
 * Imperator Aleksander III, Borodino class battleship, (Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905)
 * Gangut
 * Russian Battleship Sevastopol (1895) Petropavlovsk class battleship, (Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905)
 * Rostislav
 * Iki - Previously Imperator Nikolai I
 * HMS Centurion
 * HMS Ocean
 * HMS King Edward VII
 * HMS Russell
 * HMS Empress of India
 * HMS Cornwallis
 * HMS Montagu
 * HMS Vanguard
 * HMS Britannia
 * HMS Prince George
 * HMS Monarch
 * Masséna
 * Suffren
 * Gaulois
 * Danton
 * French battleship Jean Bart (1911)
 * France
 * Courbet
 * Alfonso XIII
 * España

There are some unresolved questions about some ships that aren't quickly answered by Internet search. If you have the ability to provide more thorough and reliable research into the following questions, it would be appreciated.
 * USS Texas (1892): Scrapped or still sunk?  There is no quickly available history of this ship being raised and scrapped.  However, the location of sinking and available photos suggests partial or complete scrapping likely.
 * Slava: Scrapped or still sunk?  There is no quickly available history of this ship being raised and scrapped.  However, the location of sinking makes partial or complete scrapping likely.
 * Heireddin Barbarossa: Scrapped or still sunk?  There is no quickly available history of this ship being raised and scrapped.  However, the location of sinking makes partial or complete scrapping likely.
 * SMS Thüringen: Scrapped or scuttled? There are articles and photographs on the Internet indicating that significant wreckage still exists in place.

Can anybody populate a naval flag template for the Regia Marina? I can't figure out how to get this template populated. There is an article on the Regia Marina, and there is a template for the country called Kingom of Italy. There is a flag for the Regia Marina. How do we get all these linked using a navy template?
 * Navy:
 * Navy:

Based on the contributions and edits provided, I am removing the essay warning tag as no longer relevant. Carl Gusler (talk) 03:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep it Simple
Its a list, many of the ship sections have unneccesary info. The articles go into detail about the battleship. Only the date, where it was sunk, the condition, the navy and how the battleship was sunk should be included in each entry. Some of the info is not even interesting or relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.119.63 (talk) 11:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Add dates to table
Dates need to be added to the table so that it can be sorted chronologically - who wants an alphabetic list? *odd* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.20.33.152 (talk) 04:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Cut off point for inclusion in this list?
What is the cut off point for including ships in this list? For example, HMS Captain (1869), which was an experimental turret ironclad and sank in a storm with almost all the crew shortly after launch. The linked wiki defining article for battleship says the term began to be used for capital ships in 1794. Sandpiper (talk) 18:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

sunk, later re-commissioned
would be my suggestion for a category that includes USSs Nevada, West Virginia, and California. CorvetteZ51 (talk) 09:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Misc. issues
There are several issues with the list:
 * Why are vessels that were sunk by torpedoes separated from the group that were sunk by gunfire? And why is there the implication that being torpedoed does not equate to combat? Furthermore, there seems to be no coherence in how the two are divided. Yamato and Musashi were primarily sunk by aerial torpedoes and Yamashiro and Fuso were sunk by torpedoes from destroyers, but they're in the "Combat" section, while Szent Istvan, torpedoed by MAS boats, is in the torpedo section.
 * Maine does not belong in the list at all, let alone in the intentionally scuttled section.
 * Queen Elizabeth and Valiant were not sunk during the Alexandria raid and thus should be removed.
 * WP:ENGVAR problems - list seems to use US spellings for things like "armor" and "harbor", but British spellings for measurements, e.g. "metres". Parsecboy (talk) 16:55, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Another small issue - Lütjens was not the captain of Bismarck, that was Lindemann. Lütjens was the Fleet Commander, and was in charge of the operation.
 * "Though the term "battleship" appears to have been coined in 1794,[2] the battleship first came to national attention with the decisive Japanese victory over the Russian Empire at Tsushima in 1905" - this is patently false. Moreover, Herwig doesn't say anything of the sort (though I don't have Preston to check that).
 * "marked the beginning of the age of the battleship proper as all battleships put to sea before her became obsolete" - also a false statement.
 * "Although no battleships sank at Jutland," - what about SMS Pommern? Parsecboy (talk) 18:46, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ – removed. I cut the Herwig citation in the last patch.
 * ✅ – Revised
 * ✅ – Revised

Please explain the situation of the USS Maine battleship which sank in Havana. Thanks.Richard8081 (talk) 05:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * USS Maine was not a battleship; she was an armored cruiser. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  09:36, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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Map of sunken Battleships.
With the Map is something wrong. Scharnhorst is missing, Hood is Missing (Maybe is missing, because it's a battlecruiser, but file-description talks about battlecruisers), battle of Skagerrak is missing and maybe much more--Resqusto (talk) 16:56, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Where Is the Lenningrad?
The wiki artical on the Lenningrad varients suggest it was used as a target, but I can not find any information to back that up or where it was sunk. If anyone knows the awnser do please speak up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comunist doggo (talk • contribs) 03:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)