Talk:List of symphonies with names

Jena symphony
Nothing wrong (and everything right) with adding most likely by Friedrich Witt. Schissel | Sound the Note! 19:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Beethoven's "Schiksal" symphony
His Symphony No. 5 is never, to my knowledge, ever referred to in English as the "Schiksal symphony", or even as the "Fate symphony". It's sometimes discussed with references to fate, but that doesn't amount to an accepted nickname.

Comments? --  Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   00:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Quite so. Rothorpe (talk) 01:26, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. Removed.  --   Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   02:48, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Article title
Seems to me this is a misnomer. It is not a list of symphonies by name, but a list of symphonies that have names. The "by" suggests the list is in order of the nicknames, but it isn't, it's in order of composer, and then by number.

It's still a very useful list to have, but maybe we need a separate list, actually showing all the nicknames in alpha order. It would not need to be confined to symphonies, but could include any classical works that have a nickname, such as the Appassionata, Moonlight, Pathétique, Waldstein, Funeral March, and Devil's Trill sonatas, the Raindrop Prelude, the Minute Waltz, the Revolutionary Étude, and so on. I'm surprised such a list doesn't seem to already exist.

The question then is, what should this existing article be called? Maybe something as plain as "List of symphonies with names".

Comments? --  Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   03:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree with all of that. Rothorpe (talk) 22:05, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * OK. So, if we're going to change it, we need to get it right.  All symphonies have a name; even "Symphony No. 3" is a name.  What we're talking about here is nicknames.  That might sound a little off when applied to non-human entities, but I think it's the best word to use.  Epithet and sobriquet might also apply.
 * On balance, I'd go for List of symphonies with nicknames. --   Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   01:02, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, well this time I disagree. While "Symphony No. 3" is a name, literally, people generally think of symphonies etc. as having numbers and/or names. And 'nickname' is just too informal for many examples. Some of Haydn's symphonies may have nicknames, but from Beethoven on I think they are mostly names. 'From the New World' is no nickname, nor is 'Sinfonia Semplice' or 'Divine Poem'. List of symphonies with names would be fine. Rothorpe (talk) 01:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. But please never again edit another editor's post in a talk page.  I've restored the words you deleted from my post. I meant what I said, but even if I didn't, it's for me to edit my own posts, not anyone else.  If you disagree with what others write, you're at liberty to say so.  Thank you.   --   Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   02:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry. It was a botched repair to a botched cut & paste. I would never deliberately alter another's post. Rothorpe (talk) 15:04, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings. Innocent mistake, now forgotten.  --   Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   08:29, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Progress report
OK. I've now renamed this article as agreed above. I've also created the new article I foreshadowed, which I've called List of Classical Music Sub-titles, Nicknames and Non-numeric Titles. It's somewhat unwieldy; there's a tension between having an accurate and non-misleading title, and having a title that isn't such a mouthful as to deter potential readers. I'm not at all sure I've managed to get it right, but I'm sure better ideas will be forthcoming from my wiki-colleagues. All improvements to the article proper also very welcome. --  Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   09:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Had I seen this article sooner, I could've contributed a lot, well I will try and start that soon. - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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Brian's Symphony 2
In this article, Havergal Brian's Second Symphony is allegedly titled "Man in His Cosmic Loneliness". There isn't any source for that. The Havergal Brian Society has a quotation of Brian himself in which he refers to his Second with those words, but it is clearly in no way a title for the work itself: http://www.havergalbrian.org/sym2_3.htm This Symphony should be removed from this list.
 * Good call, just searched and results says that the symphony represents that, but it not called that at all. I will remove it from the list. Thank you! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Attenberg's Funèbre
If "funèbre" is Italian, it should be written without the accent, since the word is pronounced with emphasis on the "u", not on the "e". Klod (talk) 10:29, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


 * You seem to be correct, and sheet music spells it without the accent. Funèbre is French like in Berlioz's Grande symphonie funèbre et triomphale. Thank you! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Some questions

 * 1) Should composers with red links be mentioned? I think they should, but if we do, this list can become very huge with very non-notable symphonies by non-notable composers
 * 2) Should we include sinfoniettas, symphonic suites, symphonic poems, tone poems, etc...?
 * 3) What about composers like Leif Segerstam who wrote a lot of symphonies, like a ridicolous amount of symphonies

I will try to continue adding more symphonies to the list, however I personally feel like the list is a bit messy, not sure why it just feels messy to edit, messy to read, and this can become an extremely long list.

Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)