Talk:List of tallest buildings in Toronto/Archive 1

Height of FCP
should the height of First Canadian place include the broadcasting tower atop of it? because without it it is only 298 metres

Definition of "building"
Phrases like "technically, it is not a building" (in the article) are frequently heard in reference to the CN Tower. This is left uncited. And the "technically" qualification acknolwedges that this may not be an intuitive concept. So can someone offer a citation for whose notable or technical definition of "building" we are using when we say the CN Tower is not a building? I'm not disagreeing with this classification, but it needs to be verifiable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Even the CN Tower's own article refers to it as a building a few times. --Ds13 07:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Quoting http://www.designcommunity.com/discussion/30450.html - "A 'building' is a structure which has floors, walls and roofs to enclose space to house people." Despite what it says in the CN Tower article, it is a 'freestanding structure', not a building. wbm 03:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Erm, the CN Tower has floors, walls and roofs. It doesn't house people in the sense of people living there (but then again, neither does First Canadian Place or the TD Towers), but people certainly work and eat there. 91.164.150.94 01:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It does not have all of its floors which can house people, though. Only a few. Simalto (talk) 03:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So, the definition of building isn't "Must have all floors, not only few." The CN tower has a main ground floor, a restaurant, many observation desks, ect. It is a building. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.116.132.38 (talk) 20:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It does seem to fit that vague definition of a building. However, it does not seem intuitive to refer to it as a building, mainly because most of the structure lacks floors. The floors represent only a small part of the overall structure. A.Roz (talk) 02:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Title of Article(s)
Noting that the CN Tower is listed in this article and the Calgary Tower is listed in List of tallest buildings in Calgary, perhaps, in the interest of accuracy, all of the articles listed in the See Also section should be renamed 'List of Architectural Structures in X', with the search item 'Tallest Buildings' redirected to them? I have no idea how this would be pulled off. wbm 03:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Image Section
The old format had a box for an image of each building. Why remove that? A.Roz (talk) 05:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC) -(Done) —Preceding unsigned comment added by A.Roz (talk • contribs) 23:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think there should be consistency per WikiProject Skyscrapers/Tallest building lists. Take a look at other height ranking lists. The helpfulness of tiny thumbnails to a reader is limited anyway. &mdash; Kelw (talk) 18:34, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It was nice to have link to the photo, because the article might be of little interest to someone. For the sake of consistency I'll leave it alone. A.Roz (talk) 05:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Use of Original Names
Why are some towers' original names used over the contemporary? Is that in a wiki guideline, or just preference? A.Roz (talk) 01:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC) +And why has the list been reduced to 14 buildings? A.Roz (talk) 01:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Which names are original names (and what are their contemporary names)? The list has been reduced to 14 buildings because the previous cut-off of 145 metres was too arbitrary and so it was upped to 150 metres (since we didn't have any towers below 145 meters). Gary King (talk) 01:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Eaton Tower is now called "The 250" I believe. I thought that the TD Canada Trust Tower also had a name change, but it turns out that it's still goes by that name. So it just comes down to the Eaton Tower... A.Roz (talk) 03:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reference for that name? Gary King (talk) 04:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's in the references in the notes section, #30, 31. It's also referred as "the 250" here: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Cadillac+Fairview+refinances+debt+of+$250+million+to+fund+Limeridge...-a020523186 ("The 250, a 35-storey office tower at 250 Yonge Street, is undergoing a major renovation of its lobby to give the building a stronger presence on Yonge Street"). A.Roz (talk) 06:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed. Gary King (talk) 07:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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Inconsistency
In the "tallest buildings" section, the CN Tower is listed in first place, however, in the timeline, it is absent. Why? --Pwnage8 (talk) 07:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Please read the earlier posts for this article. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 14:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I did. The consensus is that the CN Tower is not a building. Why is it in the "tallest building" section, then? --Pwnage8 (talk) 06:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No idea. Better remove it and mention the CN Tower only as a footnote. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 14:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Why doesn't the height include the spires for buildings like the first Canadian place ?
many of Canada's tallest buildings are at a competitive disadvantage in many of the sources used to make the list, there are other skyscrapers that measure all the way to the top of the spires.Grmike (talk) 10:12, 1 May 2010 (UTC)grmike
 * We do go to the top of spires, but not antennas. FCP has an antenna, not a spire. The difference between the two is whether or not the peak is part of the architectural design of the building. Thus Canada Trust is measured to the top of its spire, but FCP's height does not include the antenna. See List of tallest buildings and structures in the world for more info on this. - SimonP (talk) 15:18, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks for the info. I didn't know that being part of the architectural design is the deciding factor.  Does that mean if the antennas are enclosed within thin spires then they count ?  is there any way FCP could get their antenna to count like some other skyscrapers do ?Grmike (talk) 04:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)grmike

CN Tower and tall buildings!
The CN Tower should be in it, it says tallest buildings, not tallest skyscrapers. It might not be a Skyscraper, but it is a building. Please fix it.

Also, add in that the only City in North America with more tall buildings is NYC. Toronto has the 2nd most tall buildings. Source: http://www.Emporis.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.116.132.38 (talk) 20:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The CN Tower is not a building. Most of the CN Tower is a giant stairwell.  Buildings are defined as those that have continuous habitable floors between the top floor and the main floor.  If the CN Tower were a building, then the Washington Monument must be a building as well. However, the Washington Monument is an obelisk and not a building.  Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 01:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, the CN Tower has a restaurant, observation deck(s), the lobby, and more. If its not a building, then the restaurant is floating in the air? It's a building. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waldenbg (talk • contribs) 02:01, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The Eiffel Tower has a restaurant, observation deck(s), the lobby, and more. Yet, it is not officially a building!  Therefore, the CN Tower is not a building.  Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:07, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

1 King St W is not all residential
It is part hotel, part residential and it also contains some board offices, etc.

128.100.83.251 (talk) 14:20, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Trump is not the second tallest building
How is the pinnacle and spire defined on this list? The top floor of Trump is much lower than its distinctive spire and I do not understand why its spire counts towards total height against West Commerce and First Canada Place. Trump is not the second tallest building in Toronto by any measure. It is the third tallest skyscraper by pinnacle height and fifth by rooftop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.80.209 (talk) 16:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Trump is also not a complete skyscraper
There is scaffolding up on Trump, falling glass, lack of a "P" in TRUMP, green netting on the roof, no light feature as planned, etc, etc, Trump should not be considered a finished buildings since it isn't. It's under construction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.90.21 (talk) 22:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That will be done. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 23:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)