Talk:List of tallest residential buildings in the world/Archive 1

First paragraph comment
This introduction could use a little bit of editing. The transition from the first sentence to the second is a little weak. The first sentence introduces the list and then the second talks about the largest residential building. While the largest building is a subset of this list, it is really... not related to the content of the first sentence. It needs a transition. More transitions throughout the intro would be good. --Jp07 (talk) 17:39, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

The first sentance introduces, the title of this article whereas the second one explains which is the tallest building in the world. Nabil rais2008 (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

As it stands, the opening paragraph contradicts itself. The article fails to mention the Burj Khalifa which is listed at as the tallest residential high-rise building in the world. I honestly don't know where to start in improving this article. Longwayround (talk) 14:07, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

By definition the residential buildings refer to those buildings whose 90 % use is for residential purpose. While in case of Burj khalifa, residential use is about 40 to 50 %, so it can not be included in this list. The theme of then list you have provided is different, it focuses on the "highrise residential use", mean Burj khalifa is the tallest highrise residential tower, not the tallest "residential tower" hope you got my point. And also Burj Khalifa contains worlds highest residential apartments and rooms, that's why it is called as high rise residential tower.

Nabil rais2008 (talk) 14:29, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a source for your '40 to 50%' statistic? Longwayround (talk) 17:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not what the page, which is referenced in the opening paragraph, claims: "This listing is verified and updated continuously and includes high-rise buildings which have been topped out... and whose occupiable height is devoted at least 90% to residential (and combined parking) uses."

You can see the floor plans in Burj Khalifa's article for clarity, for brief preview the detail is as under:


 * Floor 1-43 is Hotel
 * Floor 44-72 is Residential
 * Floor 77-108 is Residential
 * Floor 108-154 are devoted to Corporate offices and suites


 * 59 Floors for residential
 * 46 floors for corporate offices
 * 43 floors for Hotel
 * and others are for mechanical, communication, observatory, sky lobby, and Atmosphere floors.

Here the residential use is not 90%, but it is 36 % approximately.

Nabil rais2008 (talk) 17:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Some floors are significantly larger than others. Your 36% statistic looks very much like WP:ORIGINAL research and is contradicted by the reference in the opening paragraph. Longwayround (talk) 09:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * To try to find some clarification, I have referred this article to the No original research/Noticeboard. Longwayround (talk) 09:56, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

CTBUH (Council on tall buildings and urban habitate) defines a single function building as, "A single-function tall building is defined as one where 85% or more of its total floor area is dedicated to a single usage" The link is. CTBUH is the most reliable source pertaining to the skyscrapers. The list of tallest residential buildings is here:.

Please refer to this link of Emporis, for the definition of residential buildings, the statement that i have given "90% residential use" is not an original research but it has been referenced in Emporis.com. At the time when the article was written i have taken this sentence from Emporis, but at that time the list differs from the current list.

As far as the reference related to each building is concerned, it is very difficult to find any reliable source that must says that the particular building's 90% use is devoted to residential purpose.One can find the source saying the building is a residential tower.

I think my point is very clear now.

Nabil rais2008 (talk) 15:04, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I think your point is clear. Sadly, the two lists and  contradict one another which rather makes me wonder whether either of the two lists can be considered reliable. My original research query was based purely on your 36% figure for the Burj Khalifa, a building in which there is vastly more floor space on the lower levels than the upper levels, due to its tapered shape. Longwayround (talk) 17:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

At the time when the article was written the Emporis does have the same list like CTBUH's and this article, and i have added the article's list from Emporis, but recently emporis have changed their every lists and now they have totally changed one.

I got your point, Burj Khalifa does have tapered shape but it doesn't matter as the lower floors, that occupies larger area than the upper floors, covers the Armani hotel rooms and suites. Most of the residential floors are located in upper part of the tower that occupies lower area, which means residential space is quite less in this tower pertains to 36 or less percent. By definition it is a mixed-use skyscraper *(As per the definitions of CTBUH).

Nabil rais2008 (talk) 18:07, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That being the case, would it make sense to cite the CTBUH definitions rather than those of Emporis? Longwayround (talk) 10:21, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes it seems logical to put the definition of CTBUH rather emporis one.

Nabil rais2008 (talk) 12:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Use of "supertall"
"Supertall" is jargon and needs to be explained or linked to another article. There is currently no article for "supertall." It redirects to another building list. It needs to be easy for the average reader to gain access to the meaning of jargon or it should not be used.--Jp07 (talk) 17:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

All buildings which are (300 m and higher) are supertall buildings, as defined by CTBUH(Council on tall buildings and urban habitat). Supertall is just a single word and it doesnt requires any detailed article in Wikipedia and the article of "List of tallest buildings and structures in the world" already explains the word supertall briefly.I have linked the word "Supertall" to "List of tallest buildings and structures in the world". Nabil rais2008 (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * There is a supertall section on the Skyscraper page. I shall link to it as the word is not in general English-language usage. Longwayround (talk) 19:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Time durability
This article should try to be more time durable. There are lots of instances where the writer assumes that the reader knows when the content was written. Without that context, the article will no longer be accurate and meaningful once the information becomes outdated. Consider the following: "11 residential skyscrapers with heights exceeding 300 m are under construction." Construction generally doesn't take THAT long. Give them the month and year that you wrote this. I don't know when that was written and I don't have time for research to look it up (neither do our readers). So... try to work on that in this article a bit. Be reader friendly and consider the element of time.--Jp07 (talk) 17:57, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

In this respect you can read the article of "List of tallest buildings in Dubai", it list all residential buildngs under construction in dubai, topped out buildings are also considered as under construction.In the coming months i will update this number, and i always remains keep in touch with the construction status of all skyscrapers in Dubai. Nabil rais2008 (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Office space towers
See paragraph beginning with "Since the first skyscraper was built." Problem one: 4 out of 10 is not the same as 46 percent. Problem two: This is incredibly convoluted:

"Only four out of the ten tallest buildings in the world and twenty-eight out of the fifty tallest buildings in the world are used primarily as offices." What does that mean?--Jp07 (talk) 18:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

It was written in CTBUH website, so can you please ask them why they had written so !!! Nabil rais2008 (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

World's second tallest
World One, Upper Worli, Mumbai, India. 442m and 1,450 feet. To be completed by 2014. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.235.89 (talk) 01:56, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Speculation
Per WP:SPECULATION, please remember Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Consequently, I have removed some text which served only to suggest that some other buildings may enter the list in the future. Longwayround (talk) 10:53, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Purged buildings
To make the list more manageable (renumbering, in particular, is a huge task), I have removed buildings that are less than 250m in height. They can be found below:

If anyone wants to finish the job of renumbering the buildings (or to find an alternative method without the explicit ranking), feel free to put them back. Longwayround (talk) 10:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Rankings need correcting: temporary move from main article
The buildings in the above table have incorrect rankings. Some (such as the three listed as 54=) are ranked equally despite being of different heights. Please feel free to restore them to the main article once the rankings have been corrected. Personally, I believe it would be more time durable to remove the ranking column entirely. Longwayround (talk) 12:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)