Talk:List of television performers who died during production

People to add
John Spencer (actor)

Jerry Orbach

David Strickland

Will Geer

Ted Knight

Freddie Prinze

Selma Diamond & Florence Halop

Jaclyn Linetsky & Vadim Schneider

Mary Kay Bergman 99.192.73.148 (talk) 17:06, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

At least two actors from Are You Being Served? passed away during its run. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FB90:937:A695:0:5F:921C:5501 (talk) 06:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Soap operas vs. prime-time series
I see that recently, a contributor has added several soap opera actors who have died and whose characters were dealt with in various ways (usually, they, too, being killed off). I'm wondering that, since soap operas seem to be a different animal – daily, and in a number of instances, continuing for far longer than most episodic prime-time series – if they shouldn't have their own section vs. being included in the full list. For me, at least, it would be easier to read and decipher. Your thoughts? Briguy52748 (talk) 13:51, 24 February 2014 (UTC)]]
 * I don't see them as different enough or numerous enough, at this point, to warrant a separate section. If the list winds up getting too unwieldy in the future, that might be a characteristic to split it on, but I don't think we're there yet. &mdash;Gordon P. Hemsley&rarr; &#x2709; 04:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know if they are different enough to split off, although it does seem odd seeing a few Corrie and Emmerdale actors in the same list as the other predominantly US actors, but at the moment the soap opera actors listed seem to be mostly the more elderly cast members, who are more likely to fit the category, yet less notable as far as the context of the category is concerned, since the implication of the article is that it is about how shows have dealt with unexpected cast deaths, and, generally, the younger the actor the less expected the death would be. I would suggest there are at least a few other soap actors not yet listed here who have more claim to being on this list, and one that comes to mind is Graham Haberfield, who played Jerry Booth in Coronation, on an off, during the 60s and early 70s, but during his last stint on the show died suddenly, in October 1975, from a heart attack, at just 33 years old. Apparently his widow insisted that Coronation Street aired the two already filmed episodes he still appeared in, which were due to air during that month, and his character was later said to have died suddenly in a similar way to Graham. Another one is one of the King twins, Leah and Lynsey, who between them played Gail's second child Sarah Lou in Corrie from her birth in 1986, but tragically one of them died as a baby, and the other twin continued as the sole actress in the role for about 13 years, until Sarah Lou was recast, in the form of 16 year old Tina O'Brien, in order for the character to have a pregnancy herself whilst still an underage teen. MrDannyDoodah (talk) 01:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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Inclusion criteria
This is not a question that has necessarily arisen as yet, but I wanted to state my opinion that the criteria for the inclusion of an actor on this list be the following: Importantly, these criteria make no discrimination based on genre or country of origin of the television show. &mdash;Gordon P. Hemsley→ &#x2709; 18:04, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * the actor was making regular appearances on an in-production television show at the time of their death
 * the actor is notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article
 * the television show is notable enough to have its own Wikipedia article

Unclear/vague language, euphamisms, etc.
Facts are facts. Euphemisms are words used to soften up facts you are uncomfortable saying.

I have replaced "passing", "passed away", "moved on to the next phase of their existence", "pining for the fjords", etc. with "death", "died", etc.

I don't recall if there were any "made love"s here and I'm too lazy to check.

Next up is "ballistic trauma". Yes, it is clinically accurate. No, it is not common language. "Ballistic trauma" means a projectile of some unspecified sort from some unspecified source travelling &lt;physics stuff goes here> caused physical injury. Greg threw a football and broke Marcia's nose? Hey, that's ballistic trauma. So is a gunshot wound. If I take my niece to the doctor and phone my brother, leaving a message that she suffered "ballistic trauma", he's going to have issues with that. Say what you mean. A gunshot wound is a wound from a gun shot. Ask for a "bottle of water", not a "container of liquid".

"Self-inflicted"? I cleaned that up to "suicide" because it sounded like someone was writing around a suicide (given all of the euphemisms throughout the article). The phrase was used for several suicides (Mary Kay Bergman had the interesting "self-inflicted suicide"). This edit summary claims Pete Duel's "self-inflicted ballistic trauma" was accidental. Though I'd take issue with using the same vague wording to describe an accident and a suicide, Pete Duel provides cites saying it was suicide.

We also have a few instances where it seems the article is trying to say "I, the Wikipedia editor, don't know." "Unknown" is vague here. Presumably, no one editing here knows Stephen King's Social Security number. It is unknown to us, but it is not "unknown" in an encyclopedic sense. Presumably, King, the SSA, his accountant, etc. all know King's SSN. We do not know if Mermaid Man will return to SpongeBob SquarePants. The producers and writers have likely decided, but could change their minds. Or not. It may or may not be "unannounced" (maybe it was mentioned in an article in a small town's newspaper and we missed it). We do know that Mermaid Man has not appeared in the show since Bornine's death, as of June, 2018. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 13:10, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * There are a number of different things here that you've grouped together that I think are separate issues: there is a difference between "euphemism" and "technical terminology". I agree that all mentions of deaths should be called deaths, which is why I thanked you for that edit and did not revert it. I also left your change from "making love" to "having sex" alone because the distinction is subjective (not everyone would agree that one is a euphemism for the other) and I didn't have enough information to know what actually took place in the storyline of the particular show.
 * With regard to "ballistic trauma": when I originally added the term to the list, ballistic trauma was the name of the corresponding article; it seems the page was moved to gunshot wound in 2017, unbeknownst to me. Further, at the time, I differentiated among the deaths of George Reeves (whose death was controversial), Jon-Erik Hexum (whose death was accidental suicide), and Phil Hartman (whose death was homicide) in a way that allowed them to sort adjacent to one another. Later on, the death of Pete Duel was added to the list using the same terminology. When I reverted your change, I mistakenly thought it was related to Hexum rather than Duel. If you feel strongly about changing "ballistic trauma" to "gunshot wound", I'm fine with that, as long as the other points I've made still apply. However, the column has heretofore listed the cause of death (e.g. gunshot wound to the head) as primary rather than the mechanism or responsible party (e.g. suicide); I think changing that would be worth a separate discussion.
 * As far as the effect on production is concerned: I agree with your general point about degrees of unknown, but I disagree with how you implemented the change here. We should certainly not have speculation in that column, that much is clear. But if, for example, a show continued production and the character simply stopped appearing, I think it's fair to say (for now) that the character was written out of the show or (more to the point) simply stopped appearing. If the show has not yet produced new episodes since the death of the actor, or has not yet broadcast such new episodes (and has not announced their intentions), I think it's important to make a distinction from the case where the character simply disappears. (Since shows are generally produced well in advance of their air date, episodes may continue to be broadcast that include the deceased actor or which were otherwise created before the actor's death, so the effect on production may remain to be seen.) Changing them all to the same "Not specified" loses that distinction.
 * Thanks for engaging in this discussion. &mdash;Gordon P. Hemsley&rarr; &#x2709; 15:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Fred Willard Addition
Should Fred Willard be added to this list? I believe he was still voicing Pop-Pop in The Loud House at the time of his death. --Sstanford2 (talk) 20:40, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Rename this?

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure)  – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 13:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

List of television actors who died during production → List of television performers who died during production – As the article has expanded to include nonactors who died during the production of television shows they were in, I think the time is right to propose a renaming of the article to reflect this. Pahiy (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. -- Calidum  00:59, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Who are you referring to? All I see are actors and voice actors. 162 etc. (talk) 20:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am seeing a lot of television presenters and game show personal (hosts, announcers, and panelists) as part of the list and that's why I want to have this renamed to reflect these additions over the past few years. Pahiy (talk) 00:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Good point, you're right that the performers in these shows are not, by definition, "acting". Support move. We could also consider rewriting the article to include two tables, splitting off those appearing in non-scripted programs. 162 etc. (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support per nom. Egsan Bacon (talk) 03:40, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose as written. I don't think the term "performer" is any better than "actor" at solving the problem described. I note that WP:TV groups "television actors" and "television presenters" under the parent category of "television people", while MOS:TV may favor "cast members"; we probably want both of those communities to weigh in. Alternatively, as mentioned above, television presenters and other non-actors could be split out into their own list and this list could remain solely about actors. &mdash;Gordon P. Hemsley&rarr; &#x2709; 02:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, 162 etc. and Egsan Bacon. "TV performers" does not seem to be equivalent to "TV actors", but if consensus skews towards another option, such as "TV personalities", I would support any reasonable alternative. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:59, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Making
Hi, Cant You writing in died during production, Ted Cassidy, Gregory Hines, Billy Mays, Ralph Waite, Scott Wlison, Cameron Boyce, Christopher Plummer, Ed Asner and Gaspard Ulliel 2A01:799:260:4600:81A9:8FA0:56C7:9A96 (talk) 02:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

New Wrinting
And writing making also James Gandolfini and Brian Dennehy 2A01:799:260:4600:81A9:8FA0:56C7:9A96 (talk) 02:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Gaspard Ulliel’s memory
Can You make, On April 13 2022, that week's episode of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) television series Moon Knight, which featured Ulliel guest starring in the role of Anton Mogart, was dedicated to his memory with a tribute in the end credits. 2A01:799:260:4600:BC4F:71C8:A5B0:7F9E (talk) 18:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Dates
Is there a way to easily convert the numerical dates to a text format? Ie. 1949-05-27 for Robert Ripley’s date of death should read May 27, 1949 or 27 May 1949 etc. Otherwise it would take a long time to do this manually. See WP:YEAR. The link also has information on how to sort those dates in a table. It would be great if someone could help with this. TrottieTrue (talk) 14:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)