Talk:List of the largest cannon by caliber

Is this page misnamed?
From the article on caliber, I would assume these cannons are ranked by bore size. If they were ranked by caliber, it should be the cannon with hola the longest barrel length. Is this convention not used for these guns? Stevetac (talk) 00:46, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Dardanelles Gun
Şahi was used in the Conquest of Constantinapole therefore it has to be built before 1453. Article states it was built in 1464, it should be fixed. I'm changing it to 1452 to show a more accurate date until some has sources to confirm the exact time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.213.225.211 (talk) 09:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have found some information on the web that states it was completed in Edirne in january 1452 and was moved to Istanbul in two months - http://tarihimiz.net/v3/Haberler/OsmanliTarihi2/FATIH-IN-SAHI-TOPLARI.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.213.225.211 (talk) 09:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Paixsans Monster mortar
On this list, little known Paixsans Monster mortar takes first place with caliber of 975mm. However, I have serious doubts about accuracy of this claim. - On other sources I found that caliber of this weapon is 22 french inches (around 60cm), and that 975mm is outer diameter of barrel. - weight of bomb is stated at 500 kg. At caliber of 975mm it would mean it is less dense than water - very unlikely for iron grenade, filled with explosive. - at illustration given in the article it is clear that diameter of cannon is around 1/2 of the height of the soldier standing by - giving it more likely that caliber given in the article is actually outer diameter of the barrel.

Also, isn't it strange that all other weapons on the list have links, more details in separate articles, etc?
 * Provide a scholarly reference for the caliber, then we can act. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 20:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Here is one http://books.google.com/books?id=5Wi6ou1LGucC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=%22Mortier+monstre%22&source=bl&ots=lDHieFR3re&sig=WHnktxIxWcMLP-SYLmDiDdUNo3o&hl=en&ei=0VNCSqe3Ap2ZjAf1g4nuBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2

Also, you should put source to claim about caliber, not write a false claim and ask from other to disprove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.37.10 (talk) 12:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I changed the caliber to 60 cm and added another source which supports this value. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 12:02, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Breaking down the list into three sections
I tried to give my reasons in the lead. Before, it way really comparing apples with oranges. Now, don't ask me why they put on the pics iron balls next to the Tsar Cannon and the one of the Knights Hospitaller! In my view, they are clearly bombards firing stone balls (actually, the former cannon probably never fired a shot). Perhaps someone can do some research there. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 02:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Tsar Cannon 99.9% likely never fired a shot. And they have put iron balls next to it simply out of decorative reasons. Zloidooraque (talk) 20:33, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Malik-e-Maidan
The Malik-e-Maidan in Bijapur India should be included in this list. It has a bore size of 700mm. The wikipedia article about the Malik-e-Maidan claims it to be the largest medival cannon ever built. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.179.91.197 (talk) 09:58, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Problematic new entries
A number of older cannon has been added over the years in the categories stone balls and iron balls and shot whose caliber has not been sourced, namely Malik-i-Maidan, Jaivana, Dalmadal/Dala Mardana and Zamzama. Another entry, the Basilic (cannon), is sourced, but the value seems more of a modern guesstimate, less the result of reliable historical documentation or modern measurements. I am of the view that the former pieces should be removed from the list until reliable, scholarly sources can be put forward, while the latter is debatable for its inevitable vagueness. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 20:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Is this list meant to be comprehensive?
Because during the Polotsk Capture of 1563 there were used three named guns of calibers 660, 600 and 550 mm. All have entries about their production in chronicles and all are documented they were actually used. At least one of them, 600mm 'Pavlin' is known to shoot stone and iron shots and was an actual cannon (as opposed to bombards). 3 shots of it were enough for Smolensk to surrender in its time. Zloidooraque (talk) 20:27, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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Gerald Bull's Big Babylon
It has its own page in the WP under "Project Babylon" and I think it deserves a honrary mention with a bore of 1 meter and a length of over 150 meters as a lot of expensive parts had already been ordered and manufactured and since it was designed by an established expert one could assume that it would have worked hat the creator not been shot and the delivery of the parts blocked. It would have been the largest gun with the largest caliber and with the explicit potential to shoot payload into orbit (not just reaching space and falling back directly). So to say the largest gun completely developed and "in production" although barely. JB. --92.193.235.189 (talk) 21:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)