Talk:List of top international men's football goalscorers by country/Archive 1

Someone should update
Ronaldo just equalised Ali Daei on the list! 109 both

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:27, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:30, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:35, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

There is no Neymar on this list! That's ridiculous! He has 60+ goals in over 100 games!

Where is Cavani??? 53 goals in 123 caps. Forza NYCFC !! (talk) 00:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Cavani is not Uruguay's top scorer, despite having 53 goals - Luis Suarez is, with 64. Neymar is not Brazil's top scorer as Pele has more goals than him. Felixsv7 (talk) 06:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

No neymar no benzema no cavani Shuhaib Pookkadan (talk) 03:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Did you even read my comment above? Felixsv7 (talk) 13:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose to merge List of top international men's association football goal scorers by country into List of men's footballers with 50 or more international goals. Purijj (talk) 10:37, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Reason?(KIENGIR (talk) 14:01, 24 September 2019 (UTC))


 * Comment
 * Strongly Oppose such a move.
 * First I don't see any reason being produced by the user behind such proposal, itself its wierd !!!
 * Secondly, I don't see any requirement as such to merge the articles. One article clearly summarizes "Players with 50 or more goals". I must assume the user who wanted to merge have very primitive knowledge of footballing records. Let me state it clearly, 50 goals is a very big achievements in football, are considered as an important statistics and a measure of accomplishment as they are rare, very evident from the fact that only 63 players achieved that, and all football enthusiasts are interested in knowing about it. And the other article clearly summarises top goal scorers from every footballing nations, which is more than 200 countries. Secondly, the first one have multiple players from same country, whether the second one have only one player from a single counntry. I don't see any similarities or necessities for both article to be merged, its indeed a very poor proposal. Dey subrata (talk) 15:32, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

One vital player is missing!
I could not find Sándor Kocsis from the legendary hungarian team on the list. He played together with Ferenc Puscás. He scored an impressive 75 goals in 68 matches. Can you please add this to the statistics? Carstenpv (talk) 13:43, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:26, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Some English players are missing, Bobby Charlton, Gary Linneker and Alan Shearer

They aren't England's top scorer, Wayne Rooney is. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Name should be changed to note it is only men, or female scorers should be added
Name should be "List of top male international association football goal scorers by country" or female scorers should be added. Otherwise this title is misleading for the content it includes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.241.197 (talk) 08:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Consistency with former nations
What is people's opinions with continuing to list former nations on this page? Currently we display the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia on here, which have present day successors: Russia, Czech Republic and Serbia respectively. However, where the discrepancy arises is that Russia and the Czech Republic are also shown whereas Serbia is not. What do people think? The Soviet and Czechoslovakian records will never be beaten and the Yugoslav record is destined to fall to Alexander Mitrovic in the near future - should we just get rid of all three nations or maintain them for posterity and if so, are there other former nations that would also have a right to be displayed?

Felixsv7 (talk) 16:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What's FIFA's official stance of this? That should be followed; or if a current nation inherited a former one, than enough to display the only one top goalscorer, and if it is from a former country, a note should be put.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC))
 * So I think Antonín Puč can definitely be deleted as his goal tally has been eclipsed and I am not fussed as to whether we display both goalscorers for the remaining two nations until the former records have been surpassed but currently we only display the Yugoslav and Soviet records as they were directly inherited by existing nations, with notes to explain this. (Just writing it here for when someone comes to complain!) Now the only other defunct nation that will be displayed in perpetuity as it cannot be beaten, is that of East Germany - but with 55 goals in over a hundred caps, this is probably significant enough to remain. Felixsv7 (talk) 22:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Mokhtar Dahari
Mokhtar Dahari did not score 89 full international goals. He scored 84 at the very most, and that number too is very hotly contested. Goals 43-46 are Olympic qualifiers and therefore nowhere near full internationals. Merdeka Tournament in 1977 did not feature a full Indonesian side. This "source" was used to demonstrate that Indonesia did in fact feature a full side. That's laughable. There is not one line of text in the source, only results and tables. Splićanin (talk) 12:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with Splićanin and have edited Mokhtar's page to align with FIFA's definition of an international goal though RSSSF confusingly accept some of the non-full 'A' international matches in their overall total for Mokhtar yet reject others. Though even RSSSF only accepts 86 goals rather than the 89 suggested here. I'd be happy to reduce his tally to 84... Though we may need to take a look at other's records - such as Ali Al-Biski, Emmanuel Sanon and Keith Gumbs. Felixsv7 (talk) 14:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. 84 is the absolute maximum, but surely would that number be way lower upon further scrutiny. These annual tournaments were laughably weak. Splićanin (talk) 16:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Incomplete list
Hi Neymar, a Brazilian national team player with 68 goals in 107 games, should be ranked 18th, but he is not. Please correct Phacker1 (talk) 08:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * He is not Brazil's top scorer - Pele is. Felixsv7 (talk) 10:05, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

OK.It is true Phacker1 (talk) 14:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Rewording
Hi,

Do we need to reword the introductory sentence to this article as people seem to have a difficult time comprehending that Neymar isn't applicable yet!

Current wording:

This article lists the top all-time goalscorer for each men's national football team. This list is list, as several countries have two or more players with more goals than another country's top scorer. It simply lists only.

My suggestion:

This article lists the leading all-time goalscorer for each men's national football team. This list is not an all-time top international goalscorers list, as it only lists one player per country.

Absolutely open to suggestions, just looking to clarify the wording!

Many thanks,

Felixsv7 (talk) 20:50, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2021
We’re is Neymar Júnior one of the highest scorers ever and not on the list Caolan25 (talk) 18:16, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Neymar junior of brazil isn’t even on the list and he’s scored 68 goals for his country Caolan25 (talk) 18:17, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * This issue has been raised before but Neymar has not scored as many goals for Brazil as Pele - therefore he is not their top scorer and is not included in this list. Felixsv7 (talk) 21:57, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Neymar 68 goal
2401:4900:491D:2A52:0:35:B5BE:BB01 (talk) 21:35, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
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Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:32, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2021
There is no Neymar in the list....he is the second top scorrer of brazil 110.44.115.160 (talk) 03:38, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This list is for top scorers, not for top and second top scorers. Living Concrete (talk) 06:07, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:32, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:32, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add this 3 France Player to top goal scorer list
Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:29, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes also can not see this list Oliver Giround, Antonie Grizzman an Karim Benzama.Please add this list for requested to Wikipedia. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Thierry Henry is France's top scorer not Giroud, Griezmann or Benzema - which is why they are not included in this list. Felixsv7 (talk) 10:56, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Ha ha ha.......Very funny. SakibMessi14 (talk) 06:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

212 Countries and 211 Members of FIFA
There are 212 countries listed, and 211 members of FIFA. The reason is that the list includes East Germany, which no longer exists. I suggest that a note be attached to East Germany to indicate that it is not currently a member of FIFA. EvanJ35 (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerd Müller
Any reason why Gerd Müller is not on the list (68 goals in 62 games)? Pescov (talk) 01:51, 3 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes because Müller is not Germany's top scorer, Klose is. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:45, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Mohamed Kallon
It seems Mohamed Kallon scored 14 goals for Sierra Leone. Some sources : https://www.cafonline.com/news-center/news/kallon-i-have-no-regrets-in-my-career https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35872914 https://africanfootball.com/news/745443/Sierra-Leones-Mohamed-Kallon-coaching-in-the-US ... Cayzel (talk) 4:29, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

That being said, there are no records as to where he scored his goals, as National Football Teams lists him with 40 caps and only 8 goals. We need a list that includes which fixtures his 14 were scored in. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think so. CAF and BBC are sources much more trustable than National Football Team. Just have a look at the page of Sierra Leone team in 2005 on National Football Team to understand this website is incomplete. Cayzel (talk) 12:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The problem is finding where these 14 goals were apparently scored in. For example, on his page it currently lists a goal against Leyton Orient which definitely wouldn't count towards this list! Felixsv7 (talk) 13:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's problem. We know it's complicated to get all the documents from Africa but we must trust sources like CAF and BBC. You don't doubt about Chitalu from Zambia or Yekini from Nigeria but they are in the same situation: National Football Team does not list all their goals. Cayzel (talk) 14:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah those two are shown as RSSSF has all of their goals listed, as sourced on the table Felixsv7 (talk) 14:49, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2021
Shuhaib Pookkadan (talk) 03:57, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I have requested an edit in list of international goalscorers which seems missing Neymar Jr on the list.. Shuhaib Pookkadan (talk) 03:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * Neymar isn't Brazil's top scorer. Pele is. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2021
Neymar is not listed at all in the list of top scorers of all time. As of 8th September 2021, Neymar has scored 68 international goals for brazil 2601:248:401:6E70:FC1F:DD7:9509:C610 (talk) 01:22, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2021 (2)
Neymar should be added to the list he had scored 67 goals for Brazil so far and surely will go on to score many more 2A03:C5C0:107F:93AE:7CA2:47CE:E5AC:5E01 (talk) 02:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2021 (3)
Add neymar international goal for Brazil 68 goals. Source neymar wikipedia page. আইনুন আহমেদ (talk) 04:36, 10 September 2021 (UTC)


 * What this page lists is the single player with the most goals for each country (more than one player only if there's a tie). In Brazil's case that's Pelé with 77 goals. You may be interested in List of men's footballers with 50 or more international goals, which does list Neymar. --Theurgist (talk) 08:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Dates of first and last caps
Wouldn't it make more sense to indicate the dates of the first and last goals instead? --Theurgist (talk) 16:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * It's more to show their career span. And give editors a good idea of when each players appearances were updated. Felixsv7 (talk) 20:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2021
102.191.21.22 (talk) 04:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC) Mohamed salah scored 45 goals for the Egyptian national team
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Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2021
Jordan has a new topscorer: Hamza Al Dardour with 32 goals (last goal scored at 7 December 2021). VonXionixx (talk) 07:45, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2021 (2)
The correct name is Hamza Al-Dardour VonXionixx (talk) 07:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Done Felixsv7 (talk) 11:11, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2021
Ali Mabkhout add his 101º match on 10 December 2021. 80.174.19.102 (talk) 08:26, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
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National teams not affiliated with any entity or confederation
And if you (page editors), also add selections not affiliated with any entity or confederation like: Greenland, Saint Bartholomew, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Alderney among others. It would be a good idea. 2804:2A5C:402:7000:2C1A:C6FF:FEAA:27DC (talk) 19:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

This page is for sovereign states as other territories tend to play amateur or non-international sides, and a good database of information is hard to come by for these teams. Saint Pierre and Miquelon may be joining CONCACAF and Greenland may join UEFA at which point they'll be included, once they are regularly playing FIFA recognised teams. Felixsv7 (talk) 10:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

North Vietnam
In the topic of the page List of top scorers from defunct nations, the North Vietnam team was missing since South Vietnam is the legitimate predecessor of Vietnam. Could you add this team? 2804:2A5C:402:7000:2C1A:C6FF:FEAA:27DC (talk) 19:54, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

At the moment, not enough data is known about North Vietnam's participation in GANEFO therefore there isn't a recognised top scorer. Felixsv7 (talk) 10:22, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

International goals
Add Neymars 70 international goals please. (18/03/2022) 82.25.125.184 (talk) 07:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Once Neymar has more goals than Pele (his compatriot), he will be added Felixsv7 (talk) 10:22, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2022
Ali Mabkhout (EAU) played his last match on 24 March 2022, so he played his 102th match. 95.60.49.98 (talk) 08:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
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Neymar
No neyamr in the list 45.249.170.130 (talk) 18:51, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

please add neymar statistics in the list KumarN95 (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2022
95.60.49.98 (talk) 08:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Ali Mabkhout (UAE) played his 102th match on 24 March 2022.
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Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2022
47.61.7.167 (talk) 16:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Roy Krishna (Fiji) has 42 caps
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Pioneer missing
Why isn't Bhaichung Bhutia included in this list? He is a pioneer of Indian football on the global stage in who's footsteps followed Sunil Chettri who's at present going head to head with Lionel Messi for the most international goals list. 173.54.238.40 (talk) 00:29, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


 * This page only lists the single top scorer for each country. Chhetri has 80 goals for India while Bhutia has 26. --Theurgist (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

NEYMAR.
Why is there no Neymar in the top International Goal scorers he has going to beat Pele's record. 82.25.125.184 (talk) 19:38, 5 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Because he has not yet overtaken Pele. Felixsv7 (talk) 10:12, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Neymar jr
Neymar jr has 73 goals 59.93.29.119 (talk) 04:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2022
47.61.7.167 (talk) 07:33, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Liam Walker (Gibraltar) score a goal (9 June 2022) and is the only topscorer (4 goals)
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Baichung Bhutiya
He has scored 26 international goals and should be in the list. 103.163.63.29 (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Sunil Chhetri has 80 goals for India. Bhutia has 26. This list only shows the current highest goalscorer per country. Felixsv7 (talk) 17:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Gerd Muller is tied for 20th
Mjguar27 (talk) 05:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Gerd Muller is not Germany's top scorer. Miroslav Klose is. Felixsv7 (talk) 08:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2022
Neymar from Brazil has 74 goals but you have not included him in this list. Please add it. 122.171.22.11 (talk) 02:27, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Pele has more goals for Brazil therefore Neymar is not eligible for this list, yet. Felixsv7 (talk) 07:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Where is Diago Maradona's name in that list?
Where is Diago Maradona's name in that list? 2600:1700:3590:CCC0:6D70:3763:DE0D:E313 (talk) 01:52, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Neymer Jr name has been deleted by some mischievous person.
Some needs to add neymer Jr name. 45.64.236.121 (talk) 03:47, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2022
Add Neymar Jr in the list 2401:4900:22D7:6C84:5FE1:F22C:A006:5537 (talk) 03:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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Neymar
Not on the list 2600:6C52:423F:68C5:5DB5:2759:F8E7:2F1E (talk) 03:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2022 (2)
103.67.156.154 (talk) 08:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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Baichung bhutiya
Baichung Bhutia has scored 26 goals and is not included in this list 2401:4900:22D7:87F:74D5:6FF:FE70:65D9 (talk) 01:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2022
Almoez Ali (Qatar) equals Mansour Muftah as Qatar's all-time topscorer (42 goals) 95.60.52.243 (talk) 09:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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Ireland flag
The Ireland flag for Robbie Keane (ranked 20) is wrong. It should be the tricolor green. white and orange. 210.158.170.159 (talk) 03:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2022
MARCELO MORENO (BOLIVIA) PLAYS HIS 98TH CAP ON 19TH NOVEMBER 2022 AGAINST PERU 95.60.52.243 (talk) 09:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Done, by User:Mediocre Legacy. -- Mvqr (talk) 13:06, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2022
CRISTIANO RONALDO PLAYS HIS 192TH CAP ON 24 NOVEMBER 2022, THE GOALS IS CORRECT 95.60.52.243 (talk) 07:59, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Done Felixsv7 (talk) 10:06, 25 November 2022 (UTC)