Talk:List of top international men's football goalscorers by country/Archive 2

Key
I want to add a key to this table and am looking for input:

Let me know if you have any suggestions or opinions on the matter! Felixsv7 (talk) 15:41, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't seem like a bad idea. But you have to be careful when executing the idea. YangerAAS (talk) 15:34, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Former countries section
I think it would more logical to create a section for former countries. Now, a country like Russia inherit a topscorer from USSR (why Russia and not Georgia or Kazakhstan or any other ex soviet republic ?) and have a topscorer who is not even russian but ukrainian. It does not make any sense. Cayzel (talk) 2:44, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

This is because Russia was officially recognised as the successor to the Soviet Union by FIFA and therefore received all of their records. This is mentioned in the note affixed to the Soviet Union. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Is there any source about that? Because on the page about the team of Russia, the topscorer is Dzyuba, and not any player from USSR. Cayzel (talk) 12:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

As that list states, it deliberately doesn't include players who played for the Soviet Union, instead it links to the USSR page as the two pages were divided (I believe back in 2008). FIFA made the decision in 1994 when it had to decide which qualifying group to stick all of the new states into and named Russia as the continuation of the Soviet Union to replace the USSR in it's already drawn place. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Replacing in qualification didn't mean they inherit all from the USSR National Team. By the way, if you have a look at the website of the Russian Federation, their calendar starts in 1992. https://rfs.ru/national/calendar Cayzel (talk) 14:13, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

So here's the history: USSR dissolved at the end of 1991 having already qualified for Euro 1992, therefore at the beginning of 1992 the Commonwealth of Independent States national team was created to allow the players who'd qualified a chance to compete and was recognised as the successor of the USSR team (page 101 of this report). Then, the decision as to who would obtain the records held by USSR was taken on 1 June 1992 at the FIFA Executive Committee, giving them to Russia. The same thing happened with Yugoslavia to Serbia. Felixsv7 (talk) 14:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Your source only said the CIS was provisionally recognised as the successor of the USSR Football Federation. Not anything which would corroborate that Russia inherit records from USSR. By the way, on russian wikipedia they consider Dzyuba and Kerzhakov as topscorer of Russia, not Blokhin. Cayzel (talk) 14:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, because they are the top scorers for Russia. However Russia are the successors of the USSR so they inherit their records... Not sure how many times I can repeat the same information. Soviet Union national football team and Russian Football Union also state the same thing. Sadly the minutes for the 3 June 1992 FIFA Executive Committee meeting don't seem to be available but that was where it was apparently decided. We can't just rewrite history just for the hell of it! Felixsv7 (talk) 15:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Just to confirm this: Scroll along to 1992 Felixsv7 (talk) 15:14, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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There are three former FIFA members whose records, according to whoever decides that, are definitely not inherited by anyone: East Germany, Saar and South Yemen. Currently East Germany is in the list, but there's no mention of the other two. I think they should be added, whether in the existing section or in a new one. --Theurgist (talk) 11:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The only issue is that we don't have a source for South Yemen's top scorer. I've mocked up the potential table below. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:35, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

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List of former FIFA top scorers

These are the top scorers for former nations that do not have a FIFA recognised successor team.


 * Players in bold are still active at international level.
 * Players in italics also hold the record for most caps for their nation.


 * Yes, that's how I imagine the table too. A few things though. First, it doesn't need an "as of" date – these records are set and won't ever change. Second, South Yemen still could be included in the table, with its row saying that the top scorer is unknown. Wikipedia isn't expected to be the ultimate know-it-all; it just reports data – or lack thereof – and such a disclosure would be in the interest of transparency and would invite readers to try to discover the information themselves. And third, do you have an actual source by FIFA explicitly stating the connections among the Yemeni teams? When their website still had pages on the World Cup qualifiers, it listed South Yemen as " YEMEN PDR" and North Yemen as just "🇾🇪 YEMEN", but I guess we'll need something better than that. Meanwhile, another source, eloratings.net, actually groups South Yemen's (and Aden's) results together with those of Yemen, and has a separate page for North Yemen. --Theurgist (talk) 19:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Successor team
I don't think we need a table with the scorers for nations that have a successor team as their top scorers are already included in the above table. Their records have continued on despite the initial nation no longer existing. What do you think? Felixsv7 (talk) 09:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I understand the reason for removing this article as it is not necessary, but I would prefer to keep the article because it is technically a selection that no longer exists and also to have more information about the selections that no longer exist (even with teams that don't have much information like North Yemen and South Vietnam) that have a FIFA-recognized successor. The 5 other site links are like this for my amateurishness in adding the access links to the sites. YangerAAS (talk) 15:51, 2 April 2022 (UTC)


 * This was previously discussed here but admittedly only between me and one other editor! Felixsv7 (talk) 10:52, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Why Neymar are not list in international top scores?
Why 2409:4073:10A:B735:0:0:15DD:18AD (talk) 19:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Because Pele, his compatriot, has more goals. Felixsv7 (talk) 08:35, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2022
Leo Messi scored his 94th goal in his 169th cap (3 December 2022) 95.60.52.243 (talk) 08:27, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Done by User:Mediocre Legacy. -- Mvqr (talk) 10:50, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2022
Where’s Neymar? 2A02:C7F:449A:300:9D4C:3996:DF21:4FD0 (talk) 20:41, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Pele has more goals and this list just lists the top scorer by country Cannolis (talk) 20:51, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2022 (2)
Cristiano plays his 195th cap (6 December 2022) 95.60.52.243 (talk) 22:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Done Felixsv7 (talk) 09:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Where is neymar in this list
he has 76 goals 122.171.22.142 (talk) 08:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

And Pele has 77 goals. When Neymar matches Pele's record, he will be displayed on this list. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2022
Neymar equals Pelé as Brazil's top scorer (77 goals) in 9 December 2022 95.60.52.243 (talk) 19:08, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
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Thierry Henry Missing
He is not on this list with 51 goals for France 🇫🇷? 201.48.38.11 (talk) 14:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Because Henry is no longer France's top goalscorer. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:51, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Where is mbappe&HAALAND....?
Where is mbappe&HAALAND in list of top international goal scorers..? They are missing in the list 2402:3A80:19E2:6C56:0:0:0:2 (talk) 01:31, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * They are missing because neither are the top goalscorers for their nations. Yet. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:51, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2023
Teaonui Tehau (Tahiti) played on 21st March 2023 his 34th cap in a friendly against New Caledonia 95.60.56.227 (talk) 17:08, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2023
Teaonui Teahu played his 35th cap in a second friendly against New Caledonia (24 March 2023) 95.60.56.227 (talk) 09:22, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
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Wheres bobby charlton, and wayne rooney
Charlton 49 goals Rooney 54 goals not on the list 84.65.184.39 (talk) 04:35, 26 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Because neither are England's top scorer. Felixsv7 (talk) 10:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2023
Hi, Ronaldo Nazario (9) of Brazil has 62 goals his name does not appear in this list. This is an erroneous page, please update. Ronaldo's page on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronaldo_(Brazilian_footballer) Kaus2007 (talk) 07:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ronaldo is not Brazil's top scorer therefore he is not listed on this page. Felixsv7 (talk) 10:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

The persian scorer
Why iranian scorer are not in this list?please check it. Karim begheri 50 goals Sardar azmoun 41 goals Javad nekoonam 39 goals Ali karimi 38 goals mehdi taremi 30 goals Karim ansarifard 28 goals And etc.... Please complete this list as soon as 5.124.132.51 (talk) 17:23, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The Iranian top scorer, Ali Daei is second on this list. Felixsv7 (talk) 22:38, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Where is Cavani?.
Kindly add Edinson Cavani ... 82.167.25.117 (talk) 21:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Luis Suarez is the player with the most goals for Uruguay (68 goals). Edinson Cavani (58 goals) ranked second, so he will not be on this list.
 * Annh07 (talk) 21:29, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

SUNIL CHETTRI
Update His Goals 203.192.243.211 (talk) 16:09, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2023
Sunil Chhetri (India) 140 caps 92 goals (27 June 2023) 148.3.105.250 (talk) 16:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NotAGenious (talk) 05:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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T. Khan India (talk) 21:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2023
Hassan Maatouk played his 109th cap on 1st July 2023 47.58.169.247 (talk) 19:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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No Thierry henry
Thierry Henry has scored 51 goals for France and is not on the table 187.217.116.102 (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Because Giroud has scored more goals for France Felixsv7 (talk) 20:46, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Where is Mohamed Salah
Mo Salah scored about 50 goals for Egypt and he is not in the list 196.133.130.239 (talk) 13:18, 8 September 2023 (UTC)


 * He is not Egypt's top scorer - Hossam Hassan is. Felixsv7 (talk) 12:26, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

. My bad I think this was the normal top scorer international wiki 82.28.136.20 (talk) 20:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2023
47.58.168.69 (talk) 15:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Chris Wood (New Zealand) scored his 34th goal on Friday 13th October 2023 against Congo DR in his 71th cap
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done by . -- Pinchme123 (talk) 18:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Where is Kylian Mbappe
Kyle has 42 goals so why is he not here? 92.232.38.211 (talk) 11:16, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Kylian is not France's top scorer - Olivier Giroud is. Felixsv7 (talk) 10:50, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Wayne Rooney
Rooney is missing 2A00:23C8:198C:7C01:4061:84A2:D0D3:D59D (talk) 12:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Rooney is not England's top scorer - Kane is. Felixsv7 (talk) 12:11, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Not accurate list.
Three Iranian players have been missing for years. Karim Bagheri scored 50 goals, Sardar Azmoun scored 46 goals and Mehdi Taremi scored 42 goals. These figures are cirrect on 17th Oct 2023. 84.255.184.18 (talk) 18:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * None of those players are Iran's top scorer. Ali Daei - listed second on this page - is. Felixsv7 (talk) 08:39, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2024
Almoez Ali (Qatar) scored a hat-trick in a friendly against Cambodia on 31st December 2023. 77.224.200.48 (talk) 10:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Done Felixsv7 (talk) 11:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Rubbish list
Pele (77 goals) and Batistuta (56 goals) are missing. 2409:4060:2D1D:2BEF:0:0:7C9:6310 (talk) 19:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Neither are the top scorers Felixsv7 (talk) 23:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Pele 77 goals
Add pele 2A02:9B0:41:CF3A:6902:3427:6F8A:55E3 (talk) 14:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Pelé is no longer Brazil's top goalscorer, Neymar is. Felixsv7 (talk) 14:53, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2024
47.58.160.172 (talk) 05:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Roy Krishna (Fiji) scored his 36th goal in his 51st cap in a friendly against Solomon Islands (21 March 2024)
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Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2024
Oday Dabbagh of Palestine has scored 3 goals versus Bangladesh.--2001:4645:B0B3:0:C5BA:FC22:9BDA:FB98 (talk) 03:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Done Felixsv7 (talk) 10:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Oday Dabbagh
He has scored 16 goals not 17. 2001:4645:B0B3:0:AD8A:D33C:E87E:1CD9 (talk) 08:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Gerd Müller
the list is missing the famous german striker Gerd Müller. You should add him too. 195.243.250.198 (talk) 12:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Gerd Müller isn't Germany's top goalscorer, Klose is. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Please add Son Heung Min to the list
South Korea Cap 127 Goals 48 172.118.200.249 (talk) 01:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2024
Messi scored 2 goals today. Add this goals. 103.161.152.131 (talk) 02:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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148.3.47.62 (talk) 07:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

On 16th June 2024, in the OFC Nations Cup, Teaonui Tehau (Tahiti) scored his 28th in his 40th cap and Roy Krishna (Fiji) scored his 37th goal in his 53th cap.

Done Felixsv7 (talk) 12:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)