Talk:List of town tramway systems in South America

Division
I have split the Oceania, North America and South America list into three parts: "North America", "Central and South America", and "Oceania" in order to reduce file size Ldemery 18:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Reversal of flagicon deletion
I have reversed the flagicon removal undertaken - rather presumptiously - by "Andrwsc"

As he noted in a personal e-mail to me - but was too cowardly to note here - "Andrwsc" acted prior to adoption of WP:FLAG into Wikipedia policy.

In other words, "Andrwsc" acted according to a "draft" policy, which has not yet been enacted.

That, in my view, is a high-handed and arrogant act by a "Wikipedia" administrator.

The "current" iteration of flagicons on this list, which I undertook in order to improve "user friendliness," is not "perfect" - but: to quote directly from "WP:FLAG"

"[Flagicons] can aid navigation in long lists or tables of countries, such as for reporting political, economic, sporting or other statistical data, and many readers can more quickly scan a table with many countries with flag icons because of visual differences between flags."

"Andrwsc" did not dispute this - generally or for this list.

I note in addition the passage from "WP:FLAG": "when added excessively, [flagicons] clutter the page and become redundant."

"Andrwsc" does not make this charge for this list. He merely argues - rather weakly - that:

1.) The [flagicons] were attached to section headers, and most sections were big enough that you couldn't see more than 1 or 2 icons on a screen at a time.

--Well, boo hoo hoo. As noted above, the "current" iteration of flagicons on this list is not "perfect". I think they "should" go in the "Contents" boxes rather than the section. But I do not know how to do this - or if it is (yet) possible. "Andrwsc" did not bother to suggest this, so I will assume it is not (yet) possible.

2.) Many of the "flags" were actually coat of arms, and a large number of them were somewhat obscure, so there really isn't any benefit for users to be able to scan the list using them as visual clues for the table of interest.

--Well, (boo hoo hoo)^(boo hoo hoo).

"I'd also note that about 180 new templates needed to be created solely to support these five articles, which is very much contrary to the purpose of templates - normally, each template would have many transclusions on many pages."

I find a certain circularity to this "logic." It would appear that I'm to conclude that each newly-created template will, as if by magic, automatically sprout "many transclusions on many pages."

Or that this has occurred with each template created up to now.

Or something like that.

I note that the "WP:FLAG" essay fails to specify who some of these "many readers" are: those whose first language is other than English. The addition of flagicons was not an attempt at "decoration," but of improving "user-friendliness" - in particular, for those whose first language is not English, and are likely to recognize national (and perhaps sub-national) flags more quickly. In some cases, I was forced to make additional templates - and to use coats of arms rather than actual flags (which are flown / used in some places as flags).

Let me reiterate:

The "current" iteration of flagicons on this list, which I undertook in order to improve "user friendliness," is not "perfect."

Let me also paraphrase a respected colleague: "Perfectionism is the enemy of the good." Ldemery 03:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Separate pages for Argentina, Brazil and Chile
I have "spun off" the tables for Argentina, Brazil and Chile to separate pages in order to manage file size. Ldemery 04:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Article rename?
Since there is now a separate article on List of town tramway systems in Central America and since this article contains no listings for Central American countries and lists only South American countries I propose that this article be renamed from List of town tramway systems in Central and South America to instead be List of town tramway systems in South America. Are there any objections or questions about such a rename? 67.86.73.252 (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much to User:Boissière for having made the article rename today. 67.86.73.252 (talk) 00:46, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Rural Tramways of La Croze in South America


This is one of 6 locmotives supplied to Rural Tramways of La Croze in South America. I cannot find La Croze on the internet. Can anyone find it? --NearEMPTiness (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC)