Talk:List of town tramway systems in the Czech Republic

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Please stop that pointless reverting war and take here your arguments. Český Těšín/Cieszyn was one town before 1920 and tram was built in that time. Also there is no reason delte information about boreders and link to table with less info instead. --Jklamo 16:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It is you who will need to explain why the tramway that served Český Těšín/Cieszyn should be treated "differently" than all others which served two towns, one on each side of an international border. See, for example, Calais (ME), US / St. Stephen (NB) Canada. You might also wish to read the table footnote for Cieszyn (Poland table). Ldemery 03:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Because it was not a system serving two towns, but small (1.8 km) tram system serving one town that became accidentaly interwotn and international. So that why it is not comparable. I think the best will be to create stub about that system and link it from both articles. --Jklamo 22:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * As "stand-alone" lists, the "town tramway" lists might eventually become a collection of links to more-detailed Wikipedia articles (with maps and images) about each town tramway system.


 * However, with specific reference to this list, and this system: there is absolutely no justification to give the tramway that served Český Těšín/Cieszyn any "different" treatment than all others serving two towns, one on each side of an international border.


 * The fact that the border "appeared" after opening of the tramway is not relevant, because this is not the only location where this occurred. In addition to East and West Berlin, see also Frankfurt (Oder), DE / Słubice, PL and Görlitz, DE / Zgorzelec, PL. Construction of new cross-border tramways is planned in both locations. At Gubin, PL / Guben, DE, the border did not "appear" until after the tramway was closed. The "Jerusalem Light Railway" will cross de jure "borders" that are recognized by some, but not others.


 * The fact that you insist on "Český Těšín/Cieszyn" rather than "Cieszyn/Český Těšín" tends to suggest something other than "NPOV." The tramway was a municipal undertaking of Tessin city, and so the head office (and also the depot) were located in today's Cieszyn. The system continued to operate as "one" following the division. The historic record contains no hint that separate services were operated on the Czech and Polish sides of the river following the division. Thus, given a strict policy of listing each tramway system only once, this tramway would be listed under Cieszyn, and only under Cieszyn. However, "cross-border" tramway services were not common, so it is "reasonable" to be flexible and list towns on each side of the border - as they exist today - with cross links (and notes, if needed). Ldemery 05:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Brunner Dampf Tramway
When this standard gauge ( 1435 mm ) steam operated company existed, German language was offical language in Brno. Thus, history must be taken as it was and it is correct to give out details as they were in 1884 - 1900 as can bee seen from the delivered locomotives.

List of Brno Street Tramway Steam Locomotives
1 Btr-n2 Krauss  574 / 1878 Dampftramway Lokomotiven ( locomotive was used earlier in  Berlin )

1" Btr-n2 Krauss 3143 / 1894 Brunner Dampf Tramway " MARIETTA "

2 Btr-n2 Krauss  859 / 1879 Dampftramway Lokomotiven ( locomotive was used at first elsewhere )

3 Btr-n2 Krauss  775 / 1879 Dampftramway Lokomotiven ( locomotive was used earlier in Bremen )

3" Btr-n2 Krauss 3245 / 1895 Brunner Dampf Tramway 4 Btr-n2 Krauss  777 / 1879 Dampftramway Lokomotiven ( locomotive was used at first elsewhere )

4" Btr-n2 Krauss 3715 / 1898 Brunner Dampf Tramway 5 Btr-n2 Wiener 2444 / 1880 Brunner Dampf Tramway

6 Btr-n2 Krauss  865 / 1881 Dampftramway Lokomotiven ( locomotive was used at first in Hamburg )

6" Btr-n2 Krauss 3047 / 1894 Brunner Dampf Tramway " HEDWIG "

7 Btr-n2 .......... ....... / ........ Brunner Dampf Tramway

8 Btr-n2 .......... ....... / ........ Brunner Dampf Tramway

9 Btr-n2 Krauss 1632 / 1885 Brunner Dampf Tramway

10 Btr-n2 Krauss 2165 / 1889 Brunner Dampf Tramway " CAROLINE "

11 Btr-n2 Krauss 2514 / 1891 Brunner Dampf Tramway " CLARISSE "

Städtische Dampf-Trambahn Oderberg
When this Steam Tramway was in operation Bohumin was offically Oderberg. It operated a short single line with following stopping places: Terminal at Ringplatz ( Oderberg Stadt ), Löschdepot, Koslowetz, Ziegelei, Linde-Zentralbad, Neue Strasse, Elisabethstrasse, Bahnhof Terminal. Journey time in both directions over the whole line was 12 minutes in spring 1914. There were daily 25 departures from both terminals.

Oderberg was very important railway junction where railway lines from Berlin, Budapest, Wien and Krakow connected each other. On 01.01.1940 the population was 12176. By the same time the Deutcshe Reichsbahn locomotive depot at Oderberg had 780 employers, or 6.4 per cent of the Oderberg´s total population worked on the railways in addition to those who worked at passenger station and freight service.

Oderberg housed also another Vicinal type local railway the Schlesische Landes-Eisenbahnen ( Silesian Regional Railways ) with its head office at Ringplatz. This regional, nearly steam tramway type railway run from Oderberg Bahnhof via Deutschleuten or Orlau to Kopaniny, Karwin and Freistadt 14.2 km.

Kleinbahn Witkowitz - Zabreh
It seems that the Witkowitz steam tramway was actually this 3.7 km line. It was operated by Witkowitser Bergbau- und Eisenhutten - Gewerkschaft. The line was: Terminal at Witkowitz Maxstrasse, Wilhelmstrasse, Grenzstrasse, Stahlwerk, Zabreh Epidemiespital, Schule, Ringplatz, Zabreh Sandgrube terminal. This little local steam tramway offered daily 20 departures from both terminals between 05.33 and 19.30. The journey time was 14 minutes.

There was also another local private 7.36 km Kleinbahn Schönbrunn - Königsberg line out from Witkowitz railway station. It served Schönbrunn-Witkowitz, Schönbrunn-Gemeinde, Ober Polanka and Königsberg in Moravia. The trains were hauled by two Ct-n2 tank locomotives, built by Staatseisenbahngesellschaft, Wien, generally known as StEG.

1 Ct-n2 StEG 2820 / 1911 for Schönbrunn - Königsberg bahn, Moravia

2 Ct-n2 StEG 2821 / 1911 for Schönbrunn - Königsberg bahn, Moravia

This 1435 mm gauge line was later electrified.