Talk:List of wine-producing countries

Armenia
Currently Armenia is producing much more then that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.125.83.10 (talk • contribs)

list is THREE years old!
Can someone update that now, it's mid-2006? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.116.97 (talk • contribs)
 * Also the FAO source is out of date... Klepas 05:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

California
Even though California is not its own country, it would be nice to see it appear on the list to compare with other major wine-making regions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.3.146 (talk • contribs)


 * I understand the feeling, being from California myself, but that isn't an inclusion criteria here. The California wine article does exist. An unsourced statement there states:


 * "California would be the fourth largest producer of wine in the world if it were an independent nation."


 * That's probably true, and is in harmony with its huge production of fruit and vegetables. IIRC, it is number five in the world. -- Fyslee/talk 18:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

0 Tonnes?
What's the point of the last two? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.66.254 (talk • contribs)

Figures for China
This note is of interest:


 * "Note also that some of the figures may be misleading. In China, for example, "wine" refers to all alcoholic beverages, including those that are distilled, not just wine from grapes or even other fruits."

The figures are apparently from FAO, but if the figures from China are known to be inaccurate, then Wikipedia should find more accurate figures, and if China doesn't publish accurate figures for actual wine production, then it should be listed without a number. Just place it at the bottom until they start making accurate statistics. Maybe that will get them moving! -- Fyslee/talk 18:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * A quick review of available English-language web-based documents seems to indicate that the FAO figure indicates production of wine and beverages distilled from mixtures containing more than 50% grape must, which is labeled putaojiu by law (as it is jiu (alcohol) derived primarily from putao (grapes)), and not all alcoholic beverages. However, the documents I found rarely cite reliable sources for this information, thus I am not modifying the Note, but this info may help someone discover a reliably attributable source for the correct figure.


 * The reports on FAO's own website, derived from the same set of FAO metadata on production, consumption, and trade, vary in whether the category they track for all countries is "Wine", or "Wine and Vermouth". I cannot find a definition on FAO's website for "wine" to verify if this terms indicates a narrow definition of wine, or if it also includes other grape-based alcoholic beverages, as might be indicated by the occasional "Wine and Vermouth" label.  Therefore, the figures for other countries besides China might include a substantial portion of non-wine grape-based alcoholic beverages, although it is unlikely that any of them will be as substantially different as the China figure must be.  jchristopher 17:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: "China and Brazil, the two biggest players among the new crop of wine-producing nations, produce just 6.7 million hectoliters, or 2.4 percent of the world's annual output, according to figures from the International Wine and Spirit Record, a London-based research company." Downie, A: |"Napa Valley? Bordeaux? No, but Still Wine Country", New York Times, 15 May, 2007. Retrieved 15 May, 2007.  jchristopher 16:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The Chinese figure is so misleading, China should be excluded from the list (or relegated to a footnote) until better evidence is forthcoming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.37.224 (talk) 16:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree, China should be struck from the list. --Simfan34 (talk) 01:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Wines from Estonia and Latvia
Why are Estonia and Latvia included to list with 0 tonnes? I happen do be a Estonian and as I know Estonia produces wine. Does the problem comes from that the Estonian wine is mostly made from fruits (apples etc.) and berries (black currant, cranberry etc.) because grapes do not grow very well in Estonia. Does this list include only wine made from grapes? 84.50.153.101 17:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. As you see in first sentence of Wine article, we intend wine as only grape wine. The Fruit wine has an other Wikipedia article.  I think that this article should only list the grape-wine producing countries.  I don't know if the fruit wine producer need a new list (do international statistics exist?) or if it is enough to mention in the Fruit wine article.  Cate |Talk 08:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's the problem. Estonian wine makers have to say that they don't make wine, they make only fruit wine. But at the sama time Estonian vodka producers hate the idea that vodka could be distillated from molasses (not only potatoes and grain). Life is unfair :)
 * But except that, thanks, I got my answer.
 * P.S: Why isn't Estonia mentioned in the article about vodka? Estonia may not be one of the countries that produce best wine but when we are speaking about vodka ... (in my opinion: Russia, Finland and Estonia - no other)
 * → 213.219.75.12 19:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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Edit request from Nico78, 6 May 2010
Please change both, introduction (speaking of 2005, although data of 2007 is presented) and data (refers to Unted Nations statistics, but does not match them; probably production of grapes and wine have been mixed up). The data is definitely wrong (at least in parts) and misleading. Also a broader coverage of more countries would be desireable; an article page for a mere top 20 countries does not seem justified. Thank you!

Nico78 (talk) 12:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome. You need to provide a request with a 'please change X to Y' level of detail when using the editsemiprotected template. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Identical figures in tables
Figures in the two tables are identical! I don't think that's possible.--Gspinoza (talk) 17:59, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the only difference is that the older table has also places 21-70. Vandalism or some kind of mistake? 82.141.95.168 (talk) 09:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And the previous sections' answer to the 'request' is also weird, unless it was made sometime when the tables (or the top20) were not the same. 82.141.95.168 (talk) 09:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Does this still need to be protected?
After all, the vandalism was over a year ago. 82.153.198.135 (talk) 19:27, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Unprotected. Rmhermen (talk) 17:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Update and old data purge
I updated to the 2008 data from the FAO but I also had to remove the 2007 and 2005 data which is completely different from the 2007 and 2005 data currently displayed on their website. Either we were badly vandalised or were reporting preliminary data or they recomputed or changed their definitions or ... At any rate our old data is not supported by the current data. Is there a need to report older data and how would we redesign the page layout to do that? (Also note that Belgium, Libya and Vietnam do not report wine production data.) Rmhermen (talk) 17:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Accuracy
The data is outdated and hard to access, furthermore, I'm not sure that a link to a website's searchpage is a valid reference, and this PDF tells a different story. The mayor of Yurp (talk) 10:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Slovenia
According to the Slovenian statistic department Slovenia produced 850,000 hectoliters of wine in season 2011/2012, thats about 85,000 metric tonnes of wine, so I don't know where FAO gets its data. User:Martinson90 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:31, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I came here to investigate a similar case: FAO says Croatia produced 44,191 tons in 2012, yet the Croatian Bureau of Statistics says 1,293,000 hectoliters, which is roughly three times as much. In the Croatian case, there is a huge difference in FAO figures between 2004 and 2005 (197,900 vs 77,300 tons), which I suspect is a consequence of a change in methodology (rather than a real-life drop), so I suppose the way these figures are derived are different. The Croatian Bureau of Statistics says that "the industrial production and the production at private family farms are included". I wouldn't expect FAO to ignore private family farms, but maybe this would explain the difference. GregorB (talk) 20:54, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Picture of top producing countries missing #7
The picture of the top 10 producing countries actually only lists 9 countries and instead skips the label #7. So the countries labeled 8 through 10 in the picture should really be labeled 7 through 9.

Number of Entries
Does anyone else see a problem with the fact that the article says the list is a top 40 list, but the list has 72 entries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schnapps17 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 19 May 2017 (UTC)