Talk:List of wine professionals

Keep it real
I'd like to see this list used for people who have made a noted contribution to wine, not to list anyone who has ever had any contact with wine, or is a hobbyist, minor player. Thoughts? Alan Davidson 09:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be wise to leave the entry posted until readers can respond. I've tried in vain to locate the entry so I couold judge for myself.Thanks.ACuriousGeorge 19:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Alan Davidson (see above). What is Gary Vaynerchuk doing on this list? True, he is trying to pioneer a new concept in wine appreciation, but he has not yet proven himself. Providing free content (a "vlog") to a wine Web site does not make one a wine "personality." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.115.214 (talk) 01:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * When a vlog provider becomes the subject of various WP:RS, using terms such as "wine superstardom" etc, it becomes hard to argue against inclusion to this list. M URGH   disc.  11:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll tentatively add a couple of oenologists that are well known in France, but it'll take some time for me to launch their wikipage : Jacques Puisais, Max Léglise, Henri Jayer and Jules Chauvet. --Olivier Debre (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The three you have linked to seem quite OK to me. "Dead pioneers" like Jayer should meet no opposition. Tomas e (talk) 20:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As concerns my edit of 28 juin 2010 à 16:41, reverting back Max Leglise and Jacques Puisais here's why. As opposed to what I did a couple of months ago around Château-Chalon AOC, I won't waste my time in discussions leading to a dead-end. Now, in my opinion, red links present the clear advantage to starting an orphan article that any contributor knows that some things need to be written. I offered to start these articles, and will do so as soon as I find firm and written references about these wine personalities. In the meantime, given the red links, someone else could also start the job, even much better than me. Without red links, we are dependant on somebody else 1° thinking about those wine specialists, 2) realizing that this person could be listed in this list. --Olivier Debre (talk) 15:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I supported your addition, but I hadn't realised you planned to add redlinks. I believe the rationale behind excluding redlinks is that this type of list risks being a spam magnet, and with redlinks it would risk deteriorating quickly, to become useless to the point that the whole existence of the list could be questioned. It's a balance between the need for inclusion criteria and one of several possible uses of lists (expansion), which in this case is influenced by the amount of spam that you risk having. We unfortunately see a lot of biographic material added to wine-related articles that looks self-promotional, which influences my view in this specific case. Tomas e (talk) 15:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment While redlinks have some benefit (as noted in WP:REDLINK), this is not the type of page to recognize those benefits. People are far more likely to add non-notable, vanity and spam additions then they are to see a red link and then go create a well referenced, fully functioning article. The long standing consensus of this page has been to create the article first and then link it here in order to establish that the name truly merits a link here. There is nothing that harms the potential creation of these articles by not having a red link here before the article is even created. A red link of a name really offers no proof of being notable, unlike a well known wine term redlink such as co-fermentation, anaerobic winemaking, investing in wine, etc. I am certainly willing to extend good faith to the editor but we have to be fair and consistent in upholding consensus to all editors, including the IPs and spammers that use this page for their own purpose. We can let these red links stand for a short time but as soon as a IP or spammer adds another questionable, vanity or spam link then we will need to be consistent and remove all the red link as consensus on this page has long been. AgneCheese/Wine 17:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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Selection criteria
This article does not currently meet the guidelines at WP:Stand alone lists, particularly with regard to the WP:Stand alone lists and WP:Stand alone lists. Selection criteria need to be expressly stated in the lead togethr with appropriate background and citation to reliable sources to establish those criteria. --Bejnar (talk) 00:19, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Article name
In the AFD discussion, suggested what I think is a better name for this article: List of notable wine professionals. Maybe we should rename it. Thoughts? – Novem Linguae (talk) 14:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Creating sections
I plan to introduce sections along the value chain of the wine industry (owners of vineyards, oenologists, viticulturists, winemakers, wine merchants, professional wine critics, wine writers and sommeliers). Then, most existing entries of this list can be reassigned to the new sections without questioning the notability of the persons first. Thereafter, a cleanup should follow.--BBCLCD (talk) 15:13, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * After rearranging existing entries according to sections, I left questionable entries under Others. Please help to clean up these entries. In my opinion, most of them should be deleted from this list.--BBCLCD (talk) 10:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * . Whoops. I moved some people in the "others" section up to the other sections just now. Let me know if I need to undo. – Novem Linguae (talk) 10:57, 7 March 2021 (UTC)