Talk:List of wineries and vineyards in Maine

RfC: Is Mitchell Winery Relevant Enough for inclusion
Is Mitchell Winery Relevant Enough for inclusion in the list of wineries and vineyards in Maine?If so what determines if a winery is relevant enough to be included in this list?Wineguy64 (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

My 3O: Leave it out until it can be WP:RS'ed. Might want to ask someone local to the fair if they can find a newspaper or other documentation which independently substantiates the fair win. Note that fair ribbons don't necessarily mean that a vendor is commercial, either--that could be entirely consistent with a hobbyist. I did a couple of database searches and found a Mitchell Winery in Australia, but that's not too helpful, sorry. By all means, leave it here on the talk page and keep looking, though. Jclemens (talk) 05:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm working on that, but I don't know if any newspapers are going to cover the minute tidbits of info such as who won each competition. That won't be until this upcoming week, if at all, because the fair isn't over until this weekend. - Adolphus79 (talk) 05:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Bangor Daily News did happen to mention the competition, as well as Mitchell Winery's win. - Adolphus79 (talk) 06:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

RFC comment:Everything needs a reliable source. This is not negotiable. And Wikipedia is not a crystal ball for future notability. The other issue is that the article itself should set forth verifiable inclusion criteria. Otherwise, it's a random list, wish is something Wikipedia is WP:NOT. Cool Hand Luke 20:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Correct problems, don't delete
The problem is not that these lists should not exist, but rather than they should not link to the winery websites and should instead have third-party references. Take List of wineries in New Mexico as an example. Every winery without an article has a citation to a newspaper review of a wine or the winery. This is sufficient to establish notability in a list, they don't have to be notable enough for a standalone article to be included in the list. This was established in the AfD discussion for that list.

Note, I personally don't like the table format for this, in a strange way it actually encourages expansion. Better to break the list into recognized subregions within the state. Skyerise (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah I feel that a long list of redlinked wineries is not really the way to do this (and I agree that table format seems odd for this) but there may not be enough regions in Maine to require subdivisions. If there are notable wineries, then it's okay to have a list of them on its own page. Otherwise, yes, this seems like a directory which Wikipedia is not and so this content should be on the other Maine wine page. Jessamyn (talk) 18:19, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Note that Wikiproject wine has a navbox specifically for these list articles, made I think after New Mexico was done right. It's sparsely populated, so fixing the problems in eight articles seems quite doable. Skyerise (talk) 19:05, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * As small as Maine wine currently is, and considering that all we have from the current ref is a simple list of wineries in operation, I am leaning towards: Merge into Maine wine as a short paragraph blurb and an embedded (bulleted?) list of those that either have an article or independent reliable source, for the most basic of notability concerns and general list rules. Just the winery name, because that's all the one current semi reliable ref can provide (plus the one that actually has an article). It would be nice if we could find a somewhat current list from a better source, newspapers, travel books, etc. And if the region grows and there is a decent sized well sourced list later, we can always just split it back off. - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:17, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I propose this list be redirected to List of wineries in New England. Skyerise (talk) 18:41, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I like that idea. Turn into a list (from a table) and put it on that page hwich can be linked from Maine wines. Jessamyn (talk) 20:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC)