Talk:List of world records in masters athletics

Lagat
How about adding:

Bernard Lagat m35 1500m 3:32.51 Monaco July 22, 2010

and

Bernard Lagat m35 3000m 7:29.00 Rieti, Italy August 29, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.100.33.55 (talk) 15:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Done (not by me). Weia (talk) 15:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Riccione
in "Place" sometimes is writen "Riccione Finland", but Riccione is in Italy pino pilotto, 20101021 194.209.88.155 (talk) 08:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Riccione is in Italy an not in Finland; sometimes in "Place" is writen "Riccione Finland" 194.209.88.155 (talk) 08:45, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Has been corrected already (not by me!). Weia (talk) 15:42, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Approved as
The list shows records approved by WMA, but there are some records that are approved as European or national records that ar not or not yet approved by WMA. Take for example Rüters mile record M70. Approved as national record, already a year at the office of WMA but not yet official. Maybe those should not be blue (= 'not approved') but green (= 'approved by others')? Weia (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The key has been amended as suggested above, but there appears to be some confusion, because some records which should appear in blue (not yet ratified or approved) actually appear in green (which the key suggests means 'approved by EMA but not WMA'). I am not clear how to change the entries in question from green to blue. AlanD1956 (talk) 08:40, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Not every editer uses correct colours. When you want to change something change the colour name in the first cell of a row. Colours have numbers or names, both work the same. Blue is #CEF6F5, green is #CCFFCC, pink is 'pink', yellow is #FFFF99. WeiaR (talk) 08:51, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * What AlanD1956 might not know is the the EMA seems to ratify records much faster than WMA. That is what creates the situation where the Green background is used.  WeiaR is in Europe and deals with this repeating situation efficiently.Trackinfo (talk) 09:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

places and birth dates
I've added some minor facts. In case of small villages or suburbs that do not have an entry in wikipedia I added the main place between brackets. Some birth dates I also found already, most missing are of the USA. It would be fine when someone could find them, but USATF is very uncooperative in this respect, as only federation in the world, all others are cooperative. Weia (talk) 15:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Breaking up
The tables are very long and rather clumsy to edit. It would be better to break them in pieces per discipline? In that case I do not know how to get all columns in alle tables the same width, but the advantage is that there is less chance that two peoples are editing the same file at the same time. Weia (talk) 15:54, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Weia, Thank you so much for all your additions. This is exactly the symbiosis I had hoped would happen.  You have knowledge of additional information I don't know how to find.  I could not find information about the locations I have left un-wikilinked.  So many of the WMA names and locations were misspelled, I've had to conjecture and research a lot.  It goes to show the depth of inadequacy in the WMA system.  Yes the missing birthdates is a problem.  I might be able to add to a couple more from participants in my own meets--that involves sorting through paper entry forms which I have not yet resorted to.  That, as opposed to finding public information on line, which I agree is where it should be.  I'm about  out of information to add here.  I will make the tables for the weight pentathlon, then I suspect I'll be done for a while.  That should mean there won't be much of a time conflict on multiple editors.  I've done a lot of this bulk work in an external text editor, which has resulted in a few errors (Riccione in FIN and Rotterdam in RSA).  I do know the difference, I do know more about world geography/politics than the average ignorant american, but there are mistakes.  That is why it is good to have multiple eyes on the product, another WMA failing.  But as far as the cumbersomeness of the large tables, I agree.  Unfortunately the format of wiki tables does not allow for much freedom.  Unless you know how to force column width to uniformity, the look will get chaotic if we have multiple layers of tables.  I already tried it in the attempt to lay out the multi-events and it was a disaster.  On color code, green for marks that were approved by another body would certainly rub the problems in the face of the administrators.  I guess I haven't chosen to be that overt.  I was going to propose a second category of color code, maybe yellow, to cover records (or "pending" records) that were set under different standards;  several multi-events will probably be invalidated forever because the athletes used the implements in effect AT THE TIME, that have since been changed--mostly to lighter implements, by the way.  There are also hurdle marks that were set under different circumstances.  We might want to create a whole separate table for obsolete marks to cover all this, rather than color stripes all over the page--I think that would be frowned upon. Trackinfo (talk) 18:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * My taste would be to break up the long tabeles in smaller parts. Runs, jumps, throws, multi's, relays, or something like that. It is so clumsy to do small additions... Weia (talk) 10:15, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Update WMA
Two days ago the WMA has updated the records, I have already looked up all blue ones in our list and updated them. Much to come in fact... Weia (talk) 16:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * A new update on the WMA site. I have not yet looked for all improvements, but saw 100m M100 under 30 seconds! Weia (talk) 22:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have updated the men, women following next hour. Note: there are official world records for the men's outdoor pentathlon. They are not on this wiki-page. Weia (talk) 12:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not know how to update the multi events... Throws pentathlon W80 has been improved. Weia (talk) 14:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ready Weia (talk) 14:58, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

A new update on the WMA site. I have no idea how to change decathlon results. M85 decathlon has to be changed. But where?? Weia (talk) 22:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * To change the template, since it is a new record and new record holder, we should just go ahead and create a new template and let the old one die.  You can steal the format from one I previously created like Template:Pekka Penttila's M85 World Record Score, or if it is officially replacing one, we could just try to rename the file.  I think we need to ask an administrator to perform that function but it will lessen the confusion.  As I created more of these, I did chop the naming format down a little.  When I first tried to build this format I, every step was under sever wiki attack, but now with a little advice it has worked comfortably with little resistance. If you are confused, you can e-mail me. Trackinfo (talk) 00:30, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I managed to do it! Weia (talk) 12:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The outdoor pentatlon is on the WMA site but not here. I am ready with outdoor men. Weia (talk) 22:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

How to change the name of template? The W95 throwsp pentathlon is udated, except that the underlying template is called Ruth Frith and not Gabre Gabric. The content is OK. Weia (talk) 16:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * All women's records new in the WMA update are changed. Weia (talk) 16:12, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yesterday a new update of world records on the WMA site. I'll see when I have time to look at it. Weia (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Ruth Frith
I cleaned up the throws of Ruth Frith after e-mail contact with the Australians. Still much to wish... Weia (talk) 16:57, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I see you've been busy, and thank you. You've done better by the Australians you wrote to than the ones I wrote to, who have not helped at all.  I've written to the authorities in several countries to fill in blank information that I can't find from searches, but nobody has really helped the effort.  Even an additional clue, like a location or meet where something took place could be helpful.  Trackinfo (talk) 07:13, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Sacramento worlds
38 world records: http://masterstrack.com/2011/07/19356/ I am going on holiday and have no time to incorporate them in the list. Weia (talk) 11:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I was making an independent list myself, I hadn't checked Ken's site for his take on records, which was apparently posted by the meet's PR person. I also was there on the finish line for a portion of the meet, taking pictures of the folks, so I have quite a few to add to this and other future articles as information is found.  But I too am busy, so I'll get this posted as I have time.  Someone already beat me into posting a record, so we may get help from unknown regions. Trackinfo (talk) 16:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Ratification?
How is it possible that some records are "awaiting ratification" when they are set many years ago? Why are they not ratified already?? Fomalhaut76 (talk) 21:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * While there are a bunch of records that can be explained (the change in technical specifications like the weight of implements and height of hurdles), and a few that can be explained by inadequate documentation (a missing wind reading from an event held in the 1980's), the majority can only be explained by gross inefficiency in the system. As you see, some unrecognized marks have been achieved in high profile meets.  But maybe the record paperwork was not filled out by the officials.  We can't deny that a performance happened just because some official failed to process supplemental record paperwork.  Because of the long term problems in ratification, wikipedia is an ideal location to recognize the superior marks that have not made their way through the ratification process. It has sometimes taken years to get a mark accepted.  They are listed as pending because we on the outside of the process have no idea which marks are being considered by the WMA records committee and which ones have been dropped.  Those of us who are regular editors of this list have tried diligently to exclude marks we know have been rejected or have a flaw that would cause them to be rejected.  It sure would be nice to have an official accounting of the status of each of these record performances and their subsequent applications, but WMA does not offer such a report.  Trackinfo (talk) 23:07, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It is also worth noting that it seems unlikely that the records claimed by Fauja Singh will ever be ratified by the WMA, because the WMA have not accepted his claimed date of birth. AlanD1956 (talk) 15:37, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * True. Many records have had their day in (secret) court and someone has made a decision not to ratify them (as opposed to them not knowing about the record and not following through).  But there is no public source of this information that I am aware of.  The records "committee" keeps their information close to their vest.  In a wikipedia sourcing frame of mind, we can document that a performance happened, and that it was superior to the listed world record.  Sometimes the conjecture as to why a record is not being ratified comes out, masterstroke.com is great about that.  Until a source exists, we can't make a statement that any specific mark will never get accepted.  Sometimes IAAF is very specific, this mark was not accepted because of . . . (rule violation, doping suspension, ineligibility).  Occasionally WMA will make such a statement, I remember the Brazilian athlete was DQed for life for a fraudulent birthdate, but its rare. Trackinfo (talk) 18:25, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Update october 2011
Yesterday the WMA published an update of the record lists. I have done already the men's runs and jumps. Next session tonight or tomorrow. Weia (talk) 16:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * All men's events updated except the multi events, I do not understand how they work. Although it is not really nice typographically I advocate breaking up the long table per event, this does not work fine. Weia (talk) 14:28, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Women's runs 100-5000 done Weia (talk) 14:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * All women's events updated, again without the multi events. I'll try to find some more first names and birthdates of relay runners. Weia (talk) 18:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you Weia. Trackinfo (talk) 20:21, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Green: European records
I have added an extra color, green. The European record statistician is much faster than that of the WMA and it is merely a matter of time before an approved European record becomes an approved World record. As the European record list gives more details it is efficient to copy records from the European list. When they become a world record only the color has to be removed. I'll do that from time to time. Weia (talk) 20:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Indoor?
I haven't been here for a long time, partly caused by the complications of editing such a long table. But I see it has been split, I am very glad with that and will do my part of the work soon! By the way: what about a page like this with indoor world records :-) Weia (talk) 18:09, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Somebody else undertook breaking the men up, but they didn't take the time to do the women. Nor have I.  I guess I'm not sure if it is necessary or helpful.  I need to catch up even with this page.  I haven't undertaken the Indoor records either.  My time comes in bursts and a large table like that needs time. Trackinfo (talk) 18:40, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have updated the men, women will follow later. I cannot work with the multi's, I have no idea where to update them, so there is some work left. Weia (talk) 11:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Everything of last week's update of the WMA site has been updated. In the list are Clermont en Greenville, but I do not know which Clermont and which Greenville. Please give an instruction how to do the multi evnets. Weia (talk) 18:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Birth dates
I have contacted some federations to find missing birth dates. Especially the Australians have provided much! Also first names. Some questions are still underway, the US I didn't try, they never give data, so when someone knows a shortcut? The number of 'unk's is small now. Weia (talk) 11:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Good job!!Montell 74 (talk) 12:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

update june 2013
WMA has updated records and I have made this site and theirs the same. But I still do not know how to edit the multiple events, so the decathlon contains a fault and needs another update. The throws pentathlon need to be updated too. Please help. Weia (talk) 17:57, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Now the women's records has been updated too, and again the throws pentathlon and the heptathlon contain faults and updates to do. It's a mess. Weia (talk) 10:13, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * European records compared to the approved world records. Weia (talk) 12:43, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Multi's
A huge improvement (pending) in the throws pentathlon M80, but I cannot update the multi events, results here: http://www.fidal.it/risultati/2013/COD3855/Gara950.htm Weia (talk) 07:52, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Porto Alegre Worlds
I have updated (as pending) all records set in Porto Alegre, except two sprints with NWI and three multi's: weight pentathlon M65 Arild Busterud, weight pentathlon W75 Evaun Williams and heptathlon W70 Marianne Maier. Please let someone else do that. Weia (talk) 14:09, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Porto Alegre records are official now, and lots of other records, I have updated them. Weia (talk) 13:41, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Update january 2015
I updated all official records except for the multi events, I leave that for others. Weia (talk) 11:02, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I updated all WMA records and approved European records when better. I skipped the multi events. I am not very active since some time, because of log-in problems on different wiki's.Weia (talk) 11:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have a new global account, so everything again is working. WeiaR (talk) 11:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

M70 short hurdles
I added a note to the not approved time of 12.18. It is in the results like that, but it is much faster than could be expected. So maybe it was 12.81? How to find out? WeiaR (talk) 12:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I also found the results. Unless we have some other evidence, we have to accept what we can verify.  It is not a ratified record and never will be. Trackinfo (talk) 17:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

update october 2015
WMA published an update of its record lists, I have updated the men. Women i'll do later. WeiaR (talk) 11:53, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ready. I see that the multi events has been done too, nice work. WeiaR (talk) 22:01, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw your action and discovered the update had been posted. It cleans up a lot of stuff but still leaves questions.  Why did some NOT get ratified?  I also cleaned up a couple of records for a Dutch high jumper and heptathlete that you seem to miss. Trackinfo (talk) 05:55, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * High jumper and heptathlete? Oh, she! I wondered whether we should a color for records that will never be ratified. Like the Singh records. WeiaR (talk) 15:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

update 1-1-2016
Records have been updated, I have only removed 'pending' colors and I have not yet looked for other new records. WeiaR (talk) 22:16, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

decathlon hurdles
In some of the headings of the decathlon 110h is stated in stead of 100h: William Murray M55 and M60 and M65. WeiaR (talk) 10:25, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Update
I have updated women's records except multi events. Men I'll do later. WeiaR (talk) 09:33, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Men updated too, except multi events, I'll not do that. WeiaR (talk) 09:37, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * There is a conflict between the official World and European record lists for hammer throw M45, Aleksandr Dryhol. It could be a drug case and the Europeans already have disapproved the longer throw. I'll look it up. WeiaR (talk) 09:37, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed doping ban. WeiaR (talk) 17:09, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

The WMA-site is in the air again. Records are updated, I did the women's already, except 4x800. WeiaR (talk) 20:38, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Update as of january 1 2017
I started updating the official records. It's now too late to continu. WeiaR (talk) 00:39, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Women done, except W80 heptathlon Irene Obera in Perth during Worlds. WeiaR (talk) 23:54, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Men also done, except Throws Pentathlon M55 Burton Haupt, also during Perth Worlds. WeiaR (talk) 00:19, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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1500 W95
That added 1500 cannot be correct... WeiaR (talk) 08:52, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Updates
WMA has new lists (july 23 2017), women are updated. Now the men. WeiaR (talk) 20:32, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Trackinfo is busy updating the men. I'll take some rest. WeiaR (talk) 20:34, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * New updates, women done, except throws pentathlon W60. WeiaR (talk) 18:50, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Men ready too. WeiaR (talk) 19:03, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * New update women as of december 31th 2017 WeiaR (talk) 14:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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Pink color
A lot a records are now marked with pink 'will not be ratified by WMA'. It sounds definitive. Is it an informed guess, or is it sure? WeiaR (talk) 22:03, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

3000 walk
WMA gives 3000 race walk in its record lists. They are not in our list, only 5000. Is someone willing to include them? WeiaR (talk) 16:12, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Indoor yellow
Indoor records are included when better than outdoor records (IAAF practice which WMA des not follow). But they had no color, I've made them pale yellow. WeiaR (talk) 17:17, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

update mid 2018
Records have been updated by WMA last months, both indoor and outdoor. I have updated our page. WeiaR (talk) 22:15, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Add half marathon?
WMA has a list of half marathon bests, not officially called world records. I think it would be good to add them to our page. What do others think? Here it is: https://world-masters-athletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/recordhalfmarathon2017.pdf WeiaR (talk) 10:47, 27 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree. I never quite understood why half-marathon are so poorly considered in athletics. All the other events are roughly double the previous one, 100 m, 200 m, 400 m, 800 m, 1500 m/1 mile, 3000 m, 5000 m, 10000 m, and then... we jump to 42K! The half is in fact recorded on the page List of masters world records in road running. Then, we should put the 100K, which is the natural stepping stone after the Marathon. https://world-masters-athletics.com/news/30th-iau-wma-100k-world-championships/ Nicolas Gambardella (talk) 16:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Because road racing is treated as a somewhat different entity than the track events, with exception to the marathon. Distances on a track is easily more standardized than a road course. Then there's both the Olympics and the World Championships.  Neither of which include road races, except the marathon. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 22:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Women in paragraph
Someone has removed 'women' in the headings of all women disciplines. I had added that because after updating the system automatically goes to the mens lists. Quite annoying. Headings should be all different I think, ot the same for men and women. WeiaR (talk) 11:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

New Record
I will write new record based in this source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Botedance (talk • contribs) 12:48, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Colour mess in this article
The top of the article needs to say what all the colours mean. I also have a feeling that some of the colours now there may need updating. Maybe rather than have colours a footnote or additional column could be used. Kelly222 (talk) 06:19, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I am pro colours. And the top of the article already explains them, I personally don't see a problem. WeiaR (talk) 07:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It wasn't at the top; it was in the Men's section. I boldly moved it to the top. Kelly222 (talk) 06:15, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * :-) WeiaR (talk) 12:08, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

2023 scorings
Per 1-1-2023 new scorings for multi events are in use. WMA published new totals and I have added them, with the old scorings between brackets. For the women's multi events all previous records with older javelins (up to 2014) are not longer in the list of WMA. There is no official scoring for old implements, so my proposal is to remove them in our list too. There are several multi events where our list is not exactly like WMA's. WeiaR (talk) 22:08, 3 January 2023 (UTC)