Talk:Listed buildings in Runcorn (rural area)

name of article
The article is currently named "List of listed buildings in Runcorn (rural area)". For another article now at FLC, there was discussion and then renaming to avoid a parenthetical phrase. Also "List of listed..." seems unnecessary. How about revising to "Listed buildings in rural area of Runcorn"? doncram (talk) 16:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I completely agree but do not know if this would then follow the consensus on the convention of naming of lists. I will comment further on your talk page. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's conventional to start list articles with "list of...", although I agree that when it refers to a list of listed buildings the title is clumsy. I'd recommend asking one of the FL directors for more info or raising it at WT:FLC as this affects many articles. Nev1 (talk) 17:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It's my impression that titles in format of "List of..." were more or less required, previously, but that changed in the last year or two. This was discussed about U.S. historic sites, extensively, at some point (in Talk archives of wt:NRHP), and there are now more than 1,000 list-articles titled "National Register of Historic Places listings in ..." instead. doncram (talk) 17:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. Just a few months ago several lists I'd been involved in were moved to "list of..." by one of the FLC regulars who was citing policy (I just can't remember what it was). Also, the issue regarding the title of the John Douglas list wasn't about whether parentheses can be used, but whether "new" was an appropriate description of the buildings. Nev1 (talk) 17:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I was referring to the previous peer review of one or more of the John Douglas list-articles, where the use of a parenthetical phrase was the topic. About the title of this article, I don't really mind about the parenthetical phrase;  I would defer to the principal editor(s)' choice for whether to use parenthetical phrases or not.  I do think "Listed buildings in Runcorn (rural area)" is better than "List of listed buildings in Runcorn (rural area)", however. doncram (talk) 18:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * So do I, it is clumsy phrasing, but according to the naming convention is to use "list of..." With that in mind (although I still can't find the convention written down anywhere), I don't think it's worth rocking the boat, especially since adding "list of" doesn't change the article content or the expectations of the reader. Nev1 (talk) 18:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's the policy, which was discussed here in September 2008. The guideline (not policy) suggests using "list of" except for "an article that mostly consists of a list but also has a lot of well-developed material on the nature and history of the topic". Nev1 (talk) 18:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've asked a question about whether the FL community would be ok with making an exception for lists of listed buildings here. Nev1 (talk) 18:36, 11 August 2009 (UTC)