Talk:Lists of Indigenous Australians

Caitlin Stasey
Caitlin Stasey was added to this page a few days ago. Neither her own article nor IMDB mention any Aboriginal or TSI heritage. Does anyone know if she belongs here? --Scott Davis Talk 11:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Red links and verification
I'm going to begin to apply the same restrictions here as to some other lists: That only links with articles be retained. This is supported by the verification guideline, that supporting material must be provided for items included on wikipedia. In lists, this usually means that this citation occurs in the parent article. Clearly, if all that exists is a red-linked item in a list, no such supporting material yet exists. - brenneman  {L} 04:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Agghghghgh!!! I've spent the past three weeks very studiously building this list up, researching, adding names... I had hoped to turn the red links into pages when I had more time, or had hoped that someone with a little more knowledge would be inspired to create a page.

Is there any way I can see this list I created before you destroyed it?! So that I can start to create pages at least? It was the only record I had.

I think you've misinterpreted Wikipedia's concept of verification. It doesn't mean everything has to already BE in Wikipedia (ie, blue). It just means facts have to be verifiable from a reputable source, which was why I had several website URLs in there, which you have also kindly deleted. If you had have taken the time to do a Google search, or follow these very reputable URLs, you would have seen that these people are prominent Indigenous Australians. Verifiably so. Jenny —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.205.201.11 (talk • contribs) 09:22, 29 May 2006  (UTC+10 hours)


 * I do not think that because something is redlinked it means no supporting material yet exists, as per Jenny's comments, WP:V prescribes that the fact needs to be verifiable; the correct way to call for verification is tag with fact or similar.  The guidelines for Lists of people are at Lists (stand-alone lists).  User:Aaron Brenneman's removal items is not in accordance with this guideline.--A Y Arktos\talk 23:48, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I would have reverted to this revision but the list is being edited at present. I will check later no names have been lost.--A Y Arktos\talk 00:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

There's no reason to revert to the red-linked version, as it's all available via history... the link above, in fact. It says in the guideline linked above (in the Lists of people" section) that "Selected lists of people should be selected for importance/notability in that category and should have Wikipedia articles (or the reasonable expectation of an article in the future)." It's also worth noting that "Stand alone lists" is not a highly-trafficed guideline, and that the new (stricter) standards for verification may not have yet trickled down.  Regardless, a policy will always have precedence over a guideline.  I've already created two articles to replace removed redlinks myself.  A productive way to move forwards would be (if desired) to put the redlinks here on the talk page where we can fill them in at our leisure. -  brenneman  {L} 07:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Template warning of reference to deceased people of ATSI descent
I have a suggestion regarding the cultural taboo of naming deceased Aborignal people. I was thinking of a template that could be inserted at the top of all pages that refer to Aboriginal or TSI people, something along the lines of "This article may refer to living or deceased people of Aboriginal or TSI descent." Perhaps with an image of the Aboriginal and TSI flags in the boxes at left and right? What do others think? I do not have sufficient expertise in the markup language to create one in template space, perhaps I will work it out myself but if there is a consensus that it would be necessary/helpful/polite, then anyone else feel free to create this template. 202.6.138.34 06:50, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry wasn't logged in when I wrote prev. entry Shiftaling 06:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Such a template would not be in line with Wiki's general non-use of honorifics. Please go look at any discussion regarding use/not use of praise be upon him or pbuh in articles referring to Muhammad, or the Koran, or Islam. Fit in with precededent or argue for it to be adopted across all cultural issues is my strong advice. What is mentioned at the top of this article already is appropraite while not distracting from the content of the article.
 * Unfortunately, currently, there isn't the option to turn on "classes of templates" depending upon your cultural identity. But perhaps it would be a nice feature? (eg, it would insert "(pbuh)" immediately following any reference to Muhammad). Garrie 03:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I added a name to the Activist List of Prominent Australians.
Alison Anderson is alive and well as best I know. I came back today to add some Bio details from abc.net.au and nt.gov.au. As this was my first time posting on wiki I am not sure why her name has been removed. Can someone confirm for me?

Improving this list
I had a look at the Native American and African American lists and one way to improve this list (it has issues with inclusion criteria, bias in the name and other WP:LIST issues), would be to break it down into List of... Indigenous Australian politicians; Indigenous Australian sports people; Indigenous Australian visual artists; Indigenous Australian writers; Indigenous Australian performing artists etc. I'm not sure what to do with some of the more unconnected groups of people, like historical figures. Some inclusions could be devolved into categories like Category:Australian indigenous rights activists. Any suggestions, agreement or disagreement? --Peta 01:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Peta, My main comment here is the list mainly needs annotating - marking politicians with political party / state / electorate, marking footballers with era / main team / highest achievement, etc.
 * I will follow the "historical" section and see how I can annotate the entries. Once they are annotated, then it may become more aparrent how to class these people. But I am guessing some of them will be "First contact ambasadors" or similar? I doubt there was any consistancy in weather the local tribes handed over a person of high standing, or just someone who was willing to go, or if the person was actually more like a POW. Garrie 23:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Having completed that task:
 * Europoean settlement / colonial era tribal elders: 11
 * "Last surviving Tasmanian Aborigines" - 3
 * Murderer, bushranger - 1 or 2 if you count Tullamareena (arrested in Melbourne, released in Sydney)
 * 1930's resister of settlement in Northern Territory - 1


 * A few of these were trackers / police troopers for some time.
 * Garrie 00:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

More sections?
How about lists of Indigenous Australia business people, academics, scientists, engineers, etc? Surely there must be some prominent ones in fields other than sports and arts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.91.183 (talk) 02:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)