Talk:Lists of active separatist movements/Archive 2

The following is from Talk:List of ethnic groups demanding a separate state, which has been merged. --Hottentot

Change in title of the article
The title List of stateless ethnic groups is misleading. There are hundreds of ethic groups without any state of their own. For example Malayali’s live in Kerala in India. There are around 35 million Malayali’s in Kerala and rest of the world. According to the title of the page they also should be included in this list because they are also an ethnic group and they do not have a state of their own. But the difference is that they are not demanding a separate state. So a more appropriate title of the page should be List of stateless ethnic groups demanding a separate state --Chakravyuh 20:51, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===>True There are several thousand ethnic groups in the world. This list can get preposterously long and byzantine if we tried to actually catalogue them all. Justin (koavf) 21:25, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * I Agree. But List of stateless ethnic groups demanding a separate state is rather long and reduntant. A better title would be List of ethnic groups demanding a separate state --DuKot 01:23, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Changing the title as I do not see much objection. --DuKot 02:28, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Sikhs
Sikhs are not an ethnic group, they are a religious group. Ethnically most of them would be Punjabi, but Punjabis are Muslim, Hindu and Sikh. Infact there are more Muslim Punjabis (in Pakistan) than Hindu ones. Kashmiris on the other hand are an ethnic group (one that is predominantly Muslim but is also a distinct ethnic group). Sikhs should be moved to religious groups demanding a seperate state or something on those lines

Cornish
Should they really be classed here? I feel like they're on a differently level from the rest of these groups, all the rest of which have a history of active (often violent) restitance against the dominant ethnic group of the area. I feel like the Cornish question is a bird of a different color.


 * There is no Cornish independence movement worth talking about. I'm removing the entry. T.

Totally unreasonable redirect
What on earth has gone on here? One user (User:Hottentot) has repeatedly redirected this article without any effort whatsoever to seek consensus. Their behaviour in this regard has been very aggressive. Others have repeatedly asked for a discussion, or even an explanation, and received none whatsoever.

This page should be restored and an adult discussion of why a merge is necessary should be allowed to take place without the incessant, unilateral redirects from Hottentot.--Mais oui! 06:17, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Mais oui, I have no idea why you believe that there has to be some huge discussion about when we should merge some article. In ths case, the answer is obvious. Please give me a better reason why the pages shouldn't be merged. They are almost the exact same page. --Hottentot


 * The two lists are very different. This is a list of ethnic groups demanding separate states in alphabetical order, and that is a list of independence, successionist and autonomist movements sorted by sovereign states, and the movements listed are organisations, which can be representing an ethnic group, or people of a dependency, a subnational entitity, or a geographical area.  &mdash; Instantnood 02:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Mais oui, Pakistan should be a seperate state. They must ask not what they can do for their country but what their country can do for them.  And that is nothing.  Mmmmmmmmmkay?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.79.199.60 (talk) 00:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. This shouldn't redirect, it should be an article on it's own.


 * Yes but this article is of poor quality when compared to the other one. --Hottentot
 * Then request for expansion and/or cleanup. &mdash; Instantnood 18:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Protected
Protected by, 01:14, 5 October 200, over "edit war between ,  and " --Tony Sidaway Talk  22:52, 8 October 2005 (UTC)