Talk:Lists of centenarians/Archive 2

Suggestion
Im sure someone will complain... but start from scratch here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=20&offset=80&ns0=1&redirs=1&search=born+1910%2C+is. From 0-80, I looked at each one. Starting at search 81+, you could find living people born in 1910. --Nick Ornstein (talk) 01:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * There's a much easier way to do it where you collect only living people (or at least people in the living people category), and I did it a few months ago from the 1890s through 1911 to build this list originally. I'm going to do it again in May, once the GA Backlog Elimination Drive has concluded, to see who else has been added (rightly so or otherwise) in the meantime. Canadian   Paul  05:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Dorothy Janis
The citation for her is merely a list of silent film stars which is rarely updated. In Dorothy Janis' case there is an update from 2007, a reference to IMDB (last updated 2004) and wikipedia. I don't see how this can be considered adequate evidence that she is still alive. (Talk Contribs) 21:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Completely agree. Infact the source often cites wrong information. The author has in the past listed names of actors who were later removed as it was discovered they were deceased years before. I'm pretty sure that the link is unreliable as it is updated on the basis of which silent film actors do not have dates of death on iMDb. The same can be argued for Pola Illery (b. 1908) of which there is no evidence that she ever lived to 100. --Jkaharper (talk) 18:35, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If the consensus is the source for Janis and Illery is not reliable enough for proving their centenary, then I'm fine if they are both removed from this list pending a more reliable source (although I suspect one for Janis should emerge sooner or later, given the number of unreliable sources feting her 100 years). What I'm uncomfortable with is having any source, reliable or otherwise, saying that they are alive and having them taken out of the "living people" category. So as long as they aren't moved to "possibly living people" or "year of death missing", I have no objection to them being removed from this list. The living people category has extra precautions that I feel are appropriate for both Janis and Illery. Cheers, CP 19:17, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Extra note: If, however, someone really wanted them in PLP and obtained agreement at the BLP noticeboard, then of course I'd be fine with that as well. Cheers, CP 19:18, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well Janis' death solved one problem but created another: was she 98 or 100?. Should we remove her from the list until there is SSDI/more definitive proof? In any case, we can switch the reference to a proper obituary, which will avoid this problem. Cheers, CP 04:05, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd have thought that in The Pagan she was more likely 18/19 than 16/17 (as she was the love interest of a 29/30 year old) but you never know! (Talk Contribs) 06:29, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed that last week whilst reading through that exact link. It does seem strange that one of the few silent film stars got absolutely no media attention for their 100th birthday, which may give some weight to the claim that she was only 98. However, as we already know, certain Hollywood names have spiraled into obscurity (e.g. Barbara Kent) and this prevents such media reports being published. Despite this, I would say that DerbyCountyinNZ's recognition of her age in The Pagan probably has more weight to it, 16/17 does seem a little young to be featured with a leading Hollywood male, even for that period. It's SSDI or nothing now I guess. Thanks, --Jkaharper (talk) 02:54, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * According to the SSDI, she was born in 1912, so she was only 98. Canadian   Paul  15:36, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Lillian Krockerberger

 * Name: Lillian Krockerberger
 * DOB: 3 February 1905
 * Age: 105
 * Country: born 🇩🇪, lives in Chicago, Illinois, 🇺🇸
 * Occupation: opera singer (musician)

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-02-05/news/1002030506_1_singing-smiling-words

--Nick Ornstein (talk) 03:16, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Jenny Alpha
I've created an article for Jenny Alpha who celebrated her 100th birthday in April. It's not very good but it's a start. Her notability seems to be equally as prominent in singing as it is in acting, so which article should she be added to? --Jkaharper (talk) 16:25, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll put her in the "actor" one, because that page also encompasses "entertainers", which I think is the best way to describe her. Canadian   Paul  02:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Alice Herz-Sommer
She could really do with an article on English Wikipedia. There is already a lengthy article in the German Wikipedia. She was a notable musician, as well as Holocaust survivor. She has also written books about her life and was recently interviewed on a hour-long programme on the BBC about her life. There are plenty of articles online about her life. SiameseTurtle (talk) 23:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Rosa Markmann
Rosa Markmann, former first lady of Chile, died in June 2009 at the age of 101. I assume that she wouldn't get on the list (much like, for example, Isabel Meighen, whom we removed), but it does say in the article that she had a key role in the Chilean women's suffrage movement, so I thought I'd mention it here in case anyone wanted to make a case for including her. Canadian  Paul  01:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Tony Cummins died at the age of 103, but he seems like he's notable only for the age he reached, although I figured I'd mention him here anyways. Canadian   Paul  16:04, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Lupita Tovar and Hedda Sterne
There are several news reports for Lupita Tovar's 100th birthday (all in Spanish thus far, not that it really matters), but also many sources that report her birth year as 1911 rather than 1910. Should we add her now or wait a year? On one hand, we have reliable sources (albeit ones that conflict with ones) for her being 100, on the other hand, we had the same for Dorothy Janis when there was uncertainty. Any thoughts? Canadian  Paul  03:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, IMDB gives her DoB as 1911 and, for no particular reason, I'd take their info as more reliable than most news sources. Given the uncertainty I'd prefer she was left off until there is reliable evidence that she is 100. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 05:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Since there have been no objections in nearly two weeks, I'll take her off the list of potential candidates. Canadian   Paul  03:54, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

There are also a lot of sources that report Hedda Sterne being born in 1916, rather than 1910... considering how many months have passed without a 100th birthday announcement in a reliable source, perhaps she should be removed from the list for the time being as well? 1916 doesn't fit her Wiki bio very well, but we don't have a good source yet to add her to the lists... Canadian  Paul  19:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * 1916 seems highly unlikely given her bio! I wouldn't be surprised if 1916 is a mis-copy of 1910 somewhere along the line. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

A. Arthur Giddon
I'm not entirely sure what his claim to fame is... obviously a batboy for Major League Baseball, but I think he would fail the test for this page: if he had accomplished all the same things, but died 20 years earlier, would he have a Wikipedia article? I'm not sure, but I don't think so. Thoughts? Canadian  Paul  04:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I seriously doubt anyone would have bothered creating an article for him if he hadn't been made honoray Red Sox batboy on his 100th birthday. So really his notability rests entirely on the fact that he bacame a centenarian, which isn't enough for inclusion. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:46, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

1910 births, still living
First, the ones not on NN&C, next up: NN&C. Also Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg may have been born in 1910, so an eye should be kept out for a 100th birthday announcement for him. Cheers, CP 17:43, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Added Scheinberg, born September 1910. Canadian   Paul  04:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll try adding the ones on NN&C. Give me a moment. --RandomOrca2 (talk) 00:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * They're up. --RandomOrca2 (talk) 02:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, great stuff, thanks so much! There's an awful lot of them though. Cheers, CP 16:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Some extra names to consider with no exact DOB; I'm still working on the "1910s births" category, so this is a work-in-progress:


 * Loongkoonan (born between September 17, 1909 and July 31, 1910 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/traditional-source-modern-take/story-e6frg8ox-1111117064636 and http://blogs.myspace.com/thedump))


 * Here's one you appear to have missed: Arthur Gardner. Appears to be notable and alive as of 2006 when he gave an interview. Can he be added to the list? Cheers, --Jkaharper (talk) 01:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * In addition, I think we should keep an eye on Curt Meyer-Clason, Paulette Dubost, Jenny Alpha, Gunnar Fischer and Yvette Lebon, all of whom are notable, still alive but do not yet have Wiki articles. --Jkaharper (talk) 01:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Added Gardner. Cheers, CP 16:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Fauja Singh
Fauja Singh has a citation for his 100th birthday but, the question is, does he meet the criteria for inclusion? Seems to me that he's only notable for being old, which would disqualify him.  Canadian   Paul  05:38, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Since there has been no debate in over a week, I will be removing him from the list. Canadian   Paul  17:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Notable Centenarians in Need of Wiki Profiles
I've checked the following individuals via the internet and they seem notable enough to have their own wiki profiles. If anybody has the time (and can be bothered), this would help contribute to the list....

Thanks, --Jkaharper (talk) 02:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lady Gertrude Bliss; April 2, 1904 - November 21, 2008 (104) British wife of composer Sir Arthur Bliss.
 * Eugeniusz Waniek; October 28, 1906 - April 19, 2009 (103) Polish artist (already has a page a page on the Dutch and Polish wikis)
 * Theodore Heck; January 16, 1900 - April 29, 2009 (108) American Roman Catholic priest, world's oldest Benedictine monk at time of death
 * A. Stone Freedberg; May 30, 1908 - August 18, 2009 (101) American cardiologist
 * Zélia Ferreira Salgado; 1905 - August 26, 2009 (103) Brazilian plastic artist
 * Heidi Oetinger; November 19, 1908 - October 5, 2009 (100) German publisher
 * Robert Degen; November 23, 1905 - November 23, 2009 (104) American songwriter (Hokey Pokey)
 * Rupert Cherry; April 18, 1909 - December 8, 2009 (100) British sports journalist
 * Ruth Proskauer Smith; August 14, 1907 - January 22, 2010 (102) American abortion rights activist
 * Luis Leal; September 17, 1907 - January 25, 2010 (102) Mexican-born American professor of Chicano Studies (UCLA), National Humanities Medalist
 * Ilse Pohl; May 7, 1907 - May 13, 2010 (103) German writer (already has a page on the German wiki)
 * Jean Sieroty; February 2, 1908 - July 14, 2010 (102) Polish-born American philanthropist and rights activist
 * Bernard Mayers; January 6, 1908 - August 17, 2010 (102) American film orchestrator
 * Maria Wachter; April 21, 1910 - August 18, 2010 (100) German communist and resistance fighter


 * Bijou and Crémer have been added. Cheers, CP 05:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Henderson added. Cheers, CP 13:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Winance added, Harris had a profile before he was placed on this list. Cheers, CP 21:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes but I just added his name anyway as I wasn't sure whether to put him into the nobility or the businessmen section?--Jkaharper (talk) 07:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Being a businessman is more notable than being a noble (at least in my mind) so I'd say business. Also, if we're just listing names here, someone can add Joli Jászai. I'm through adding names, particularly with proper cites, as myself and one anonymous individual seem to be the only ones doing it anymore. Not worth it anymore for me. Cheers, CP 04:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Marie Wadley has been added. (Talk Contribs) 06:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Sir Jack Harris, 2nd Baronet added. Thanks, --Jkaharper (talk) 13:44, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * John Hampton added. Canadian   Paul  03:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Abdul Momin
Can someone take a look to see if he qualifies? Star Garnet (talk) 19:02, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The source does say he was born in 1785, but I don't see any source, let alone a reliable one, claiming that he was 100 years old when he died. I'll add him to the appropriate section of the "potential candidates" subsection. Canadian   Paul  16:58, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

1911 births, still living
Almost halfway through 2011 before we finished with the 2010 names... Canadian  Paul  04:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Classification into list
The recent addition of Jimmie Davis to List of centenarians (actors, filmmakers and entertainers) and the subsequent removal because he was already mentioned in List of centenarians (politicians and government servants) raises the legitimate question of allowable duplicate entries. Reading his article's lead, the article itself, his categories, there doesn't seem to be an obvious way to prefer one over the other. Wouldn't it be helpful for readers to have difficult cases like this appear in more than one list? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:37, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't really have a preference to how it's done - my revert was mostly based on "that's how it's always been done", and I guess I got that feeling from when the lists were all one big list and it didn't make much sense to list someone multiple times. Personally I think there are some small concerns, like over-cluttering lists and people adding names to sections based on less notable parts of his life (ie. he was an artist, but he also recorded an album once, so let's put him under "musicians" as well), but these really aren't strong objections or issues that are likely to come up often. Basically, I personally prefer coming to a consensus about where someone belongs and just leaving them on one list, for simplicity's sake, but I don't really have an objection if the consensus is that people can belong on multiple lists. Canadian   Paul  18:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I fully agree with your principle, but every now and then a special case comes along, and Davis looks like one. Side remark: there are usually some unintended costs involved in splitting articles and lists. I don't know what the answer is; the lists of Latin phrases, split by inital letter, provides one combined list by way of transclusions (List of Latin phrases (full) [caution: big]), but that requires certain preparations within each list and it can render the unsuspecting reader's browser paralysed. I thought the addition of a search box might help locate people where a category isn't quite obvious, but the recent addition of Davis shows that not all editors use that box. Then again, maybe many others do and we shouldn't worry about the odd justifiable multiple classification. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Sybil Plumlee and Joe Stanley (colonel)
Sybil Plumlee and Joe Stanley (colonel): neither of these individuals look like they are notable for anything other than their age, but I thought I'd leave it open for discussion before dismissing them entirely in case someone wanted to make a case. To me they both seem like the "interesting life story" type, but maybe that's just me... Canadian  Paul  15:18, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Plumlee's notability seems exaggerated. Her notability rests on her being a "pioneer policewoman" and yet she was encouraged to join by another policewoman. Being notable as an early policewoman in a particular city/state seems insufficient for inclusion here. If Stanley was actually notable (for inclusion here) he would surely have had an article created before his death, not after. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 18:54, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Alma Bella
According to her page, Alma Bella died May 11 at the age of 102, but I can't find any confirmation of this other than Find-A-Grave and IMDb, both of which updated their information before Wikipedia, but it looks like one got their information from the other. Usually I don't mind Find-A-Grave as a reliable source, but in this case I'm worried that they just copied from IMDb and would like to see more evidence before I add her to the list. Does anyone have any? Or is consensus that we are not concerned? Canadian  Paul  13:50, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Unreliable centenarian claims
Here are individuals who have claims, but not particularly reliable ones, for turning 100. In Arthur Maynard's case, his Cricket Online and Cricinfo profiles list him at 100, and his Wikipedia page claims that he "is amongst a handful of first-class cricketers who have passed 100 years of age", but none of this is particularly reliable... granted, Cricinfo has improved its policy of not listing possibly living people as living, but I'm not certain that it's 100%... as for Warren Wilson, the forums on his IMDb page wished him a happy 100th birthday, in addition to his Wiki claiming that he's alive, but they may just be assuming that he's alive because there's no DOD... there's also no SSDI record for him, but there's are several reasons that he could be deceased and not among those records... In any case, more information would be helpful here. Cheers, CP 15:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

NFL.com claims that he's alive and 100, but it's the only source. I contacted the web master at Oldest Living Pro Football Players and he said he'd look into it, but I never heard from him after that... Cheers, CP 23:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the SSDI and his son, he was born in 1904 and died in 1998. Canadian   Paul  16:33, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

To support that she lived to 100 years old (and, ostensibly, is still alive), the author of the article noted that "In 2007, she was listed as a Vice-President of the Women's Royal Naval Service Benevolent Trust" and sources this PDF file, which indeed does what is quoted. It was actually released 2008, so there's no chance that she hadn't reached her 100th birthday if she was still alive. I've moved this from above so that the old thread can be archived, but does anyone object to adding this section to the "potential candidates" subpage? It seems appropriate... Cheers, CP 00:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * A relative noted on her page that she made it to her 100th birthday... not sure if that's reliable enough, even with the PDF. Canadian   Paul  00:10, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Obituary for her dying at the age of 103. Canadian   Paul  14:13, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's another one: The Spanish Olympic Commitee says that Marcellino Gavilán is alive and well at the age of 100, but I can't find any other source to corroborate this. Cheers, CP 19:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Died March 4, 1999. Canadian   Paul  05:17, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * George Wienand is another "alive by cricket" one. Canadian   Paul  16:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * thePeerage.com updated Diana Keppel, Countess of Albemarle about a month after her birthday and still lists her without a date of death... don't think that that's quite enough to add her though. Canadian   Paul  17:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Eric Blankley also claimed alive by cricket and nowhere else. Canadian   Paul  16:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Same deal with Thomas Gubb, except this time it's with a scrum.com profile. Canadian   Paul  21:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Gubb died November 19, 1978 according to his grave: . Canadian   Paul  17:00, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Maynard, Wienand, and Blankley are all deceased per this article, which states that at the time of Syd Ward's death on December 31, 2010, he "was the oldest surviving first-class cricketer in the world and the only one over 100 years old". Canadian  Paul  06:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Warren Wilson died December 19, 1963 according to the California Death Index and IMDB. Canadian   Paul  00:31, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Aged 100+ on Wikipedia, but no citation
I found two more alleged centenarians: Anne Abbott and Nellie Dale. I cannot, however, find sources for either confirming that they reached 100+ years old; neither would be in the SSDI either. If anyone is a better searcher than I am (which is probably most of you), any help would be appreciated. Cheers, CP 00:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In both cases their article confirms they made it. 06:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll add Abbott soon, now that there's a source for her death, but I still haven't found anything for Dale. I'm also adding Pandolfo Masca of Pisa here because while the birth and death years span a century (1101-1201), I could not find a source that said that he actually lived 100 years (ie. he may have been only 99 when he died). Cheers, CP 15:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone added Charles Fern, but he falls into the same category, as I haven't been able to find a proper citation for his centenarian status. To keep things straight, I've changed the title of this section and added a list of names below.
 * Finally found a citation for Dale. Added. Canadian   Paul  04:07, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Over two years later, finally got one for Fern. Canadian   Paul  22:42, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Three and a half years later, I got Pandolfo Masca of Pisa. Canadian   Paul  07:38, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Marie-Claire Heureuse Félicité
 * Abdul Momin

Cheers, CP 02:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Added Beta Vukanović... can't find any evidence that October 31 was her DOD. Cheers, CP 01:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Found a citation. Added. Canadian   Paul  03:52, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Added Floyd Dominy, as he's almost certainly alive, but there's been no 100th birthday citation. Canadian   Paul  02:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Floyd Dominy has died, and now has a citation. Canadian   Paul  03:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Helen Bray is listed as being 100 when she died, but her dates are taken from IMDB.  Lugnuts  (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well there's a Helen B Pierce (which matches the surname of the great-granddaughter) in the SSDI with those dates, so I think that we can trust IMDB on this one, so unless there are any objections, I can add her in a day or two. I'm also adding Marie-Claire Heureuse Félicité to this section, as it's claimed that she was 100, but there's no DOB. Canadian   Paul  15:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops, forgot about Bray. Added now. Canadian   Paul  16:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Added Sina Berlinski... I'm pretty certain that she's alive, but the only confirmation seems to be a forum posting, which is not a reliable source. Canadian   Paul  03:43, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Sina Berlinski no longer has a Wikipedia page. Canadian   Paul  06:14, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Added Loongkoonan. She was still alive in 2011 per, but there's no source yet explicitly stating that she's reached 100... and there may not be, considering the ambiguity surrounding the date of her birth. Canadian   Paul  22:37, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Found a citation explicitly claiming she is a centenarian. Added. Canadian   Paul  15:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Added Mukhtar Mohamed Hussein, who would have been either 99 or 100 when he died. Canadian   Paul  17:30, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Found a citation with an explicit claim to his centenarian status. Canadian   Paul  08:06, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Added Mack B. Stokes, who is definitely alive, and aged 100, but there's no citation for it yet. Canadian   Paul  21:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Stokes has died and now has a citation. Canadian   Paul  15:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Added Elder Roma Wilson, who is still alive at the age of 101, but I can only find youtube videos to confirm this. Canadian   Paul  15:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Found a citation. Canadian   Paul  07:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

1912 births, still living
Since all the 1911 people have reached their 100th birthday, I'm preparing for 1912. For now, I've added the names that are absent from NN&C and Émile Allais. Canadian  Paul  19:31, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * NN&C names added. Canadian   Paul  22:48, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Jan Lipowski died in 1996, so he won't be getting a 100th birthday notice. The article will be updated when a reliable source comes on the internet. Canadian   Paul  16:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm a little confused about Francis Hovell-Thurlow-Cumming-Bruce, 8th Baron Thurlow. This page claims that he died in 1990, but the link on his page has him speaking in the House of Lords in 1999. It doesn't seem like died in 1990, but do we have any recent evidence that he's still alive? Canadian   Paul  00:43, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * His entry in Burke's Peerage was last edited on 13 Feb 2012 and there is still no mention of a DoD. Not conclusive, but rather a major oversight if he has actually died! DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 20:39, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * FYI I've added to discussion on the reliability of this source for his 100th birthday here. Canadian   Paul  14:31, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * No one objected, so I have gone ahead and added him. Canadian   Paul  17:28, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The Swiss actor Lukas Ammann (born September 29, 1912) is still active last I heard, but he does not have an article on English Wikipedia. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:07, 5 April 2013 (UTC)


 * If he does get an English Wikipedia article (I assume he will sooner or later), he can most certainly be added. Canadian   Paul  21:54, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Fred Degazon
A search here list a Frederick E Degazon living in London and on the 2002 (only) electoral roll. It also lists a Kathleen Degazon (at the same address) and also on the 2002 electoral roll (only) and a Stella Degazon, aged 36-40, on the electoral roll 2002-2008. A search of the whitepages for London finds both Kathleen and Stella Degazon but no Frederick. This seems to indicate that Fred Degazon died sometime between 2002 and 2008. He could probably be found in the Death records that these sites link to, but I'm not that keen on delving further at the moment. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:49, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


 * From Talk:List of longest lived state leaders, it seems fairly likely that he died in 2008. The source isn't good enough for Wikipedia, but I'll take him off this list and my own because I think it's pretty conclusive. Canadian   Paul  22:49, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

John Donnelly (table tennis)
Are there any objections to removing John Donnelly (table tennis) from list of centenarians (sportspeople)? He seems to be notable only for being old (which violates the inclusion criteria) and we've removed several others like him (or not added them) for similar reasons. Canadian  Paul  18:29, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed, only known for being old. IMO he's lucky to even have an article. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 20:23, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Since there were no objections, I have removed him from the list. Canadian   Paul  17:35, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Frieda Friedman
This source states that Friedman set most of her books in New York which suggests she lived there for at least past of her life. This records a Frieda Friedman (born May 8, 1905) died in New York on September 29, 1999; and this records another Frieda Friedman (born January 27, 1905) died in New York on September 17, 1988. I've had no luck in trying to establish the full DoB for the author though, and the name is so common it's possible neither of the above is the one we're after! Still, it might help...Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:16, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Dorothy Custer, Alexander Imich, and Jolie Gabor
What do we think of this individual? Famous just for being old? The article seems to be hinting at the idea that she was notable prior to her appearances on The Tonight Show, but the sources all come from past her 100th birthday, which strikes me as she's being paraded around for a stereotypical "look at this spry old person!" late-night television segment (John Donnelly, who we removed earlier, comes to mind as a similar example). I don't really think that she passes the "would she have a Wikipedia article if she had accomplished the same things but died 50 years ago" test but, as always, I'm open to other opinions. Canadian  Paul  22:45, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

I also have a similar concern with Alexander Imich. Although his other accomplishments probably provide enough notability that, when combined with longevity, suggest that he is a suitable candidate for a Wikipedia page, but would he have one without said longevity? It's difficult to tell if he would otherwise meet WP:PROF. Canadian  Paul  22:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Since there was no objection in almost two weeks, I have removed both. Also, are there any objections to removing Jolie Gabor? I know that in the past we did away with listings for people who are just related to someone notable but, searching through the archives, I see that there wasn't much discussion about it. Canadian   Paul  18:38, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with Dorothy Custer. If she had died in the 1980s, no one would have known who she was. And it's not like she's a "late bloomer" either, by doing anything substantial in recent days. As for Imich, I think that his notability is separated from his longevity. When he published his book in 1995, he was "only" in his early 90s. Also, starting a scientific research center plus having an award named after himself; all of this before becoming a centenarian. http://ehe.org/display/ehe-page888d.html?ID=97 http://www.iacworld.org/english/content/alexander-imich
 * Is the Imich Award mentioned in a published book? Well, in the book Body Mind Spirit, written by Charles T. Tart in 1997, it says: "He recently won the Alexander Imich Prize
 * for the best essay on the topic Miracles: Illusions, Natural Events, or Divine Interventions?"


 * Michael Levin, professor at the Tufts University mentions getting the Imich award in his biosketch. http://ase.tufts.edu/biology/labs/levin/people/biosketch.pdf
 * But perhaps I'm a bit biased due to my interest in supercentenarians. :p


 * I'd support the removal of Jolie Gabor due to the inherited notability.  O s c a r L  22:17, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed Gabor. If there is a consensus to restore Imich, he can always be re-added. Canadian  Paul  21:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

1913 births, still living
1913 all done. Canadian  Paul  15:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Carl J. Shapiro is one to add too. Jkaharper (talk) 19:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Added. Canadian   Paul  23:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

a reference to Randolph W. Thrower Centennial  Tommieboi (talk) 17:33, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Great find! I've added him. Canadian   Paul  19:40, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Is this any use as a source for confirming Ellen Albertini Dow's centenarian status? Mabalu (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


 * On one hand, it looks like it is a reliable source. On the other hand, it could also be the case that they took the "aged 100" sized of the debate out of convenience for their work, although that kind of speculation is probably original research. There are, however, still many more sources that claim 1918 as her year of birth and, since we've had so many problems with varying years of birth (Mary Carlisle is a good example), I'd like to hear some other opinions. I'd rather get it right than risk posting it beforehand without certainty. Either way, one day, an obituary will likely provide conclusive evidence for one age or another. Canadian   Paul  07:03, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * On page 9 in The Winchester Star, (November 26, 2012), Ellen was listed under the headline "Today's birthdays" as age 99. I would be shocked if 1918 really was her birth year, because 2-year olds aren't usually mistaken for being 6...  O s c a r L  01:42, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * According to this article, she graduated from university in 1938. I don't know enough about the American educational system, but 20 seems too young to graduate from university, doesn't it? Another link  O s c a r L  02:06, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Well for one thing, as you've been told time and time again, verifiability is more important than truth. We do not conjecture on Wikipedia, we only repeat what is verifiable. Furthermore, I would even argue that your conjecture is incorrect. Less than a decade ago,I graduated from undergrad only two months after turning 21. Seven decades ago standards were not as strict, particularly for women, whose education was often not taken seriously. I'm sure if you scan Wikipedia, you can find many notable people who earned PhDs earlier than most people these days begin them. Having said that, you're so focused on seeing me as the enemy that you seem to have missed that I actually agree that the Business Insider source is convincing. My only comment is that, because there's such a dispute, I think better sourcing and more community input is needed here. Your evidence looks good, I don't disagree with it. You should go seek out that consensus, because you are likely to get it; there are many forums through which you can do it. If you get community consensus, I couldn't stop the date from being changed even if I wanted to. I just want to hear what others have to say. Canadian   Paul  20:44, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Tsuneko Sasamoto
So I just heard of someone for the first time a few days ago named Tsuneko Sasamoto. At first I moved her to possibly living as I couldn't find anything at first. Then a few minutes later I decided to see if I typed her name correctly and I did find a page from 2013 that she was indeed alive at the time. If she is alive now she would of turned 100 a couple days ago. Wgolf (talk) 16:08, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * oh what a lovely subject! Alive earlier this year: "on the verge of her 100th birthday". There's this but I think the automatic translation may have erred so it's not definitive. But it implies she was alive very recently either way. If she's indeed made it to 100 then she is an absolutely deserving candidate! NB: for some reason Google shows her birth year as 1918 but in the results I saw hits for her 99, 98, 97th birthday commemorations so I think she's definitely 100 if still with us. Mabalu (talk) 18:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * we have a source!!!! Mabalu (talk) 18:21, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * and added. That source was published yesterday according to the URL although no date was readily visible in the text itself. She definitely needs her article expanded on too. What an awesome sounding woman. Mabalu (talk)
 * Good work and great find with this one! Canadian   Paul  10:43, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Djahanguir Riahi
So I just found Djahanguir Riahi under the shortest bios list, looks like he will be 100 in just 1 more week, hopefully he makes it. Wgolf (talk) 18:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * But IS he notable? Not really seeing proof of that from the shortest bio... might have a look round for sources. Mabalu (talk) 20:57, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep was wondering that as well, was about to put the nobility tag on and forgot to. Wgolf (talk) 20:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, he does seem to be pretty notable to be among those profiled in a book focused on the "great collectors after 1945." Have expanded it a bit. Mabalu (talk) 21:52, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * He seems notable to me, although I could be swayed either way. Let's see if an 100th birthday article pops up; its contents will probably help us determine whether he's notable enough or not. Canadian   Paul  10:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, he was deceased all along. Canadian   Paul  13:42, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Connell Thode
Recently deceased at the age of 103, Connell Thode is a candidate for the lists, but I can't quite figure out if he's notable enough for Wikipedia, let alone for inclusion here. At best, he seems to be notable for his age, because I doubt that he'd have a Wikipedia page if he'd died even 10 years ago. Thoughts? Canadian  Paul  17:40, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Are OBEs worthy? Not sure they are but do check that... Mabalu (talk) 21:56, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Being one of only 3 NZers to command a submarine in WWII seems rare enough to be notable and as such I suspect even had he died before his 100th birthday there would be sufficient coverage in the media to justify and article (I found one minor mention of him from 2009). DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:31, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't see any opposition to adding him, so I've gone ahead and done it. Canadian   Paul  17:18, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Julian Phelps Allan
Feeling rather pleased about finding this one! She definitely ought to have already been on WP already, but that's been put right now. Mabalu (talk) 15:53, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Found one who might be alive
Claude Joseph Johnson, born in 1913, though has no date of death. Wgolf (talk) 00:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * He died in 1990. Date added with source. Canadian   Paul  22:38, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

1914 births, still living
And here's 1914! Canadian  Paul  23:32, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Canadian Paul, Mary Ward (actress) might be someone to keep an eye on - although not a reliable source, this Facebook group seem to be organising a group birthday card for her 100th birthday next month. I had a quick look through some of the comments and didn't see anyone gleefully disproving this or claiming she wasn't that old, as you might expect if it was incorrect, so yeah... sounds like she's a contender. Mabalu (talk) 21:00, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... someone seems to have changed her YOB to 1918, but without any sources. In any case, I'll keep an eye out and see what I can find. Thanks for the info! Canadian   Paul  22:28, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * How strange, it was at 1916 before. I DO think the fact that nobody has gleefully shouted "she's not 100!" is quite telling... Mabalu (talk) 01:07, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Any good as a source for Olaf Pooley? Mabalu (talk) 11:09, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Apparently the Doctor Who News Page is considered a reliable source, so it can be used! Canadian   Paul  21:44, 13 March 2014 (UTC)


 * So I randomly decided to look up Georg von Tiesenhausen. I can see he was alive on 8 August 2014 as he attended a Space Camp induction according to Twitter. And there's a photo of him at that very event here. This is frustrating because we can see that he's definitely alive and over 100 but the sources are very much not RS. Mabalu (talk) 13:09, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * On a happier note: here's a source for Ken Hechler. Mabalu (talk) 13:48, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Just went ahead and added Hechler. Mabalu (talk) 13:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Good find for Hechler. As for von Tiesenhausen, yeah, he's definitely alive, he just needs a reliable source. But there's no deadline, so it's always better to get it right than to get it quickly. Once a reliable source pops up and he's added, then he'll be on there for all time, so there's no problem with waiting. Canadian   Paul  13:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Cite for Jeannette: Connormah (talk) 23:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Connormah - great find! I've added her. Mabalu (talk) 23:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Just some musing on the six remaining names. It's 50/50, I think - we know half of them are either definitely alive, or credibly still alive. We know that Georg von Tiesenhausen was definitely still alive past his 100th (per unreliable sources). We can be pretty sure that Dovey Johnson Roundtree is still with us, mainly because there would definitely be multiple obituaries on her had she passed. (She was certainly still alive in early April 2014 as per this unreliable source but can't find any sources, reliable or otherwise, to confirm that she made it to her 100th on April 17. For the same reason, (i.e. lack of obituaries, no announcements of his death on the ICROSS page (but an acknowledgement of his 99th)) it is credible that Joseph Barnes is still with us, especially as we know he made it to 99. I'd be surprised if the other three are still with us - it's a 50/50 chance really isn't it. Mabalu (talk) 23:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Lysak is definitely alive per public record searches. There is a reliable source coming, I just don't know when it will be published. A Google search reveals a handful of sources anticipating Marino's 100th birthday (but none after it), so I suspect that he made it and is still alive. The only individual I'm not certain about is Hans-Joachim Pancherz... he was alive at his 90th birthday, but I've yet to uncover any evidence from beyond that. If nothing turns up, he might end up in Possibly living people in early 2015. Canadian   Paul  23:56, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * A new one - Bernard B. Wolfe. He's definitely alive, but the only thing I can find is this: a photo of him at his 100th party (on July 11) by his nursing home's Facebook page. Connormah (talk) 20:33, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Added above. Canadian   Paul  22:39, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Emiliano Álvarez
Any help citing info on the article of Spanish cyclist Emiliano Álvarez would be appreciated. He rode in the 1936 Vuelta a España and is (apparently) the last living person to do so. If he's alive today, he is 102. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 09:08, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I searched around and couldn't find anything, although this suggests that his living status is unknown. He's probably a candidate for Possibly Living People. Canadian   Paul  21:34, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Paul. Updated.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 09:18, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Luba Marks/Lubov Roudenko
Okay - I'm working on an article on the fashion designer Luba Marks. Before she became a designer, I've discovered that she was Lubov Roundenko, a ballerina for the Ballet Russes de Monte Carlo - and I'm discovering that despite some vagueness about her birth year (lots of hand-waving/references to things happening in decades, etc), she may have been born in 1915. The IMDB database (that bastion of incredible reputability) does say 1915, as do some published sources such as this. Joining the dots up, other accounts suggest she was born around 1923 (per her having had a 1937 ballet sequence choreographed for her when it's claimed she was 15). So... Is Luba still alive? Is she/will she be a centenarian? One for the researchers here... Mabalu (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Tiny bump to avoid this being archived without a second opinion. Mabalu (talk) 09:53, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Ellen Albertini Dow
We discussed Ellen Albertini Dow a while back, but the sources weren't that great. She's now died, aged 101. I am wondering if this source qualifies as a reliable source for verifying her age? Mabalu (talk) 23:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It seems to be a reliable source for her death, so I see no reason why it shouldn't be a reliable source for her age. I think we can probably add her to the list and lay the matter to rest at this point. I'll take care of it a little later. Canadian   Paul  20:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposal to rename supercentarian articles
There's a proposal to rename all the lists of the supercentarians by continent articles at Talk:List_of_African_supercentenarians to List of oldest African people for example and then perhaps to include notable centenarians in those continent categories. If anyone has any views, feel free to express them. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

1915 births, still living
I think this is a pretty comprehensive list for 2015, but there are always additions as the year progresses. Canadian  Paul  21:32, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Removing the 8th Duke of Wellington. He died on 31 December 2014 at age 99. --Jkaharper (talk) 01:09, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Any sources that Arthur Smith turned 100 last month? I couldn't find anything myslef.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 10:30, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Nothing that I could find either. He's got a fairly common name, and I haven't heard anything about him since 2012, so it might be a difficult one to spot. He might end up being moved to "possibly living" if nothing turns up after a while. Canadian   Paul  22:25, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


 * A Google search confirms Eddie Filgate was still alive a week before his centenary, and there is no obit, but not yet any positive confirmation. Matchups 15:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Is this tweet from an apparently respectable reporter adequate confirmation that Meg Mundy reached 100? Matchups 15:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Regardless of his credibility, Twitter has no editorial oversight, which means that there's no way to verify reasonably whether he went out to ensure that she was still alive or just saw that she was listed still living on Wikipedia and assumed she reached her 100th birthday based on that. As for Filgate, I'm not sure if this website would be reliable enough to list him, although the newspaper article supports it. Canadian   Paul  18:37, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I would consider that website reliable for the facts it presents, but would not depend on them to report promptly on a death. So if at some future time, they do report his death at age 100+, I would use that to add him here. Matchups 00:08, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

A couple sources online hint that Wendy Pasmore might have died in 2015 prior to her 100th birthday, although I cannot find any definitive proof. Canadian  Paul  05:13, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Oldest notable centenarians
I was thinking of putting together a list of the oldest notable people, drawn from the various "List of centenarian athletes", "...politician" etc. articles. Either anyone 105 or older, or the 100 oldest ones. Would this be considered sufficiently encyclopedic to be worth doing? To clarify, this is only people known for reasons other than longevity. Matchups 15:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I suspect that it would probably be deleted as being arbitrary... even the regular "at 100" lists find it difficult to pass AfDs and I think that you would have to demonstrate that the topic of "oldest notable people" is covered sufficiently in reliable sources to meet WP:SALT and for it survive an AfD. I also think that many people would argue that it is a redundant to these lists or otherwise arbitrary. Canadian   Paul  18:40, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Richard Arvine Overton
I was curious as to why Richard Overton, who is a centenarian at the age of 109, and a WWII veteran, is not on any of the centenarian lists. He is known for being the second oldest living WWII veteran. Mzimmerle (talk) 01:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that's because he is only notable for being a centenarian - his army service doesn't make him notable in himself. This is why people like Claude Choules and Harry Patch aren't on the lists either - although they are notable, they wouldn't have been notable if they had died before they hit the big century. The lists of centenarians are for people who were notable before they hit 100. Mabalu (talk) 01:54, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Ingeborg Rapoport
Is Ingeborg Rapoport sufficently notable for reasons beyond longevity for inclusion on one of the lists? I can't quite determine whether she is or isn't, but am leaning towards notable enough... Mabalu (talk) 10:59, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Had forgotten about this, thought I'd ask again... Mabalu (talk) 18:27, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * A quick skim suggests that she's probably notable enough, but I'll take a closer look later. Canadian   Paul  17:17, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Bertus Brandsen
For info, Bertus Brandsen is categorized as being a centenarian. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 12:34, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There is no proof at all Bertus Brandsen is still alive. Actually, there hasn't been a news article that featured him for about thirty years. My guess is he died a long time ago, though nobody knows when. 18:29, 24 November 2016 (UTC) Guidje (talk) 18:31, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oops, I missed this entirely, but thanks for checking up on this Guidje! Canadian   Paul  12:27, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Deceased Centenarians Not Being Added
It has come to my attention that a lot of centenarians who have been appearing in the Recent deaths section of Wikipedia are not subsequently being added to the lists. I have only gone as far back as the start of November 2016 and found 5 names already. They are Nana Afia Kobi Serwaa Ampem II, Maria Glazovskaya, Luigi Caccia Dominioni, Maurice Gaffney, Consolata Kline. Is there a reason we are not adding these names? There is absolutely no point in us putting in so much effort to find birthday confirmations and track currently known living centenarians if we are going to completely ignore previously unknown centenarians who appear in the Recent Deaths section. The list of notable centenarians will never satisfy a standard of "completeness" but an oversight into many notable individuals invalids any other efforts we make. --Jkaharper (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm one person who, despite my user name, actually lives much of the year in a country that has very poor internet connectivity. I also do 90%+ of the adding of the names to the list and, in addition to everything else I do in Wikipedia, I have to a) track new articles about centenarians that get added b) maintain the list of up and coming centenarians, c) keep and eye on the recent death lists for those as well, and d) clean up and remove inappropriate citations and entries that get added consistently (although props to for helping particularly with that last one... much appreciated). In the time It took to you complain about the work that others are doing, you could have added one, maybe two, beautifully cited entries to these lists. Wikipedia is a collaborative project and we benefit from a group effort. The best part about this all is that you have the ability to improve the project and compliment the great work that others do.  Canadian   Paul  01:52, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh dear CP, you seem to have totally misunderstood the tone of my comment above and gone off on a rant. It wasn't a complaint, it was a constructive criticism (and not just of "others", but myself included). I raised it so we could address how it could be resolved in future. I'm very aware that you do most of the work on this article, and I'm also aware that it's under-appreciated given that these tables seem to be widely shared across the net, particularly on longevity forums like the 110 Club without those users contributing much effort themselves. I do intend to sit down and add more names from the Recent Deaths section in time, but I thought first I should raise this issue amongst others so the oversight can be tackled collaboratively so that this doesn't happen in future. Once again CP, have another read of my message above and try to recognise that you've completely misunderstood the tone. Also you seem to be implying that my work is minimal and I couldn't "bother my ass" adding those names last night - a tad insulting. Had I added them, what difference would it have made in the long run when the fact is there are possibly 100s of names that have been overlooked? Unless we address this now, it will continue. I'm happy to help, otherwise I wouldn't have commented in the first place. --Jkaharper (talk) 12:20, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * If you have suggestions for improvement or a request for ideas, then post it that way. I re-read your original post with fresh eyes and, sorry, it still reads like someone throwing up their hands because the volunteers aren't volunteering hard/well enough, so I stand by my original comment, which I don't see as a rant so much as a blunt assessment of how easy it is to make a complaint when one overlooks how much needs to be done to have it work even this well (which, I agree, could definitely be improved upon). I'll keep working on the lists; if your comment truly was aimed at getting more/better collaboration and coming up with more efficient processes, then I'm all ears and am happy to participate in any genuinely constructive discussion. I think that would be a great benefit to the project and a wonderful contribution. Canadian   Paul  13:18, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

1917 births, still living
This is what I have for 2017. Additions always welcomed! Canadian  Paul  13:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Dayton S. Mak is still living as of 2014:
 * Margot Wölk was edited to say she died in 2015, which was unsourced, but seems likely true, as she has not been confirmed since then. EternalNomad (talk) 17:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Mak added. I'll keep an eye for an official death confirmation for Wölk, but if nothing shows up for her 100th birthday, she'll end up moving to Possibly living people anyhow. Canadian   Paul  15:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Raymond Weber Jones deceased as per link on his article. Dahlberg was born in 1918 according to his article. --Jkaharper (talk) 18:58, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Dahlberg was born on the date I used above according to public records. While those aren't good enough to change the date on Wikipedia, they do indicate when we should be looking for a 100th birthday announcement. Canadian   Paul  11:18, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Aged 100+ without reliable sources

 * Is this good enough for Daniel Aaron even though it was published the day before his 100th birthday, if taken in conjunction with a 2013 published source showing he was still alive that year here? Mabalu (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well the first one doesn't work, because it's before his birthday, but that doesn't matter because the second is fine on its own, so I've gone ahead and added him. I wouldn't have thought that a book would have proof that someone turned 100 less than a year after the event, but I guess I was wrong. Excellent work on finding the source! Canadian   Paul  21:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Would this be a reliable enough source for Mary Carlisle  Tommieboi (talk) 17:29, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Any good for Mary Carlisle? Also a namecheck here, but neither is really reliable enough, I guess. Mabalu (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem with all of the above sources is that they are all from 2013, and now her claimed YOB is 1914, which would mean that she was not 100 in any of those. Unless we get a super-reliable source for her YOB that removes any reasonable doubt that she is 100, her age is too uncertain to be added to this list. Canadian   Paul  22:31, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Paul I just noticed that you had removed Mary a few months ago. For some reason, you choose to dismiss obvious sources like this video on her 100th birthday. Just because the source is Facebook? We're not using that website for biographical details on her own page. The only thing we want to do is to make sure that she reached 100. Mary is in that video, we see it with our own eyes. As for year of birth, check out all the new sources for Mary Carlisle. 1914 is supported by a newspaper article published way back in 1933. There's also her birth record and NY passenger list, although I know you don't take that into account for living people. I will re-add her to the list in a few days.  O s c a r L  01:19, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's policies are not my policies, they are the community's. I did not think them up, I did not write them and, to be honest, I don't even necessarily agree with the relevant policy in particular (although I understand why it is there). What I do do, however, is abide by and assist in enforcing them. People have fought tooth and nail for the past two years to have her listed here using the same type of sources that you are, and now we find out that we were wrong. Because the issue is so contentious, we need better evidence and community consensus. Verifiability trumps "truth" in cases like these, particularly when the "truth" is contested. What matters is that we get it right and, since there is no deadline, it doesn't matter if we get it right today or 10 years from now. And if we had let her centenarian status fly for the past two years based on the evidence provided, we would have gotten it wrong, and that would have been inexcusable. We cannot include it until it is verifiable. Canadian   Paul  20:44, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Let me repeat: Mary Carlisle's birth year IS 1914 AND verifiable by a reliable newspaper article from 1933. Forget about the 1912 date; according to Ann Dvorak's biography she added two years to her age in the late 1920s to get a contract with MGM. I don't have the book so I can't cite it in her article. Even her official Facebook page says it's 1914 (posted April 27 2014). You would never dispute the very same video of her 100th birthday if it was reported by CNN, would you? Paul, I do take referencing seriously. I've made 50 something stubs/articles without getting any of them nominated for deletion and none are tagged. But I will never follow or enforce rules that goes against common sense. I know where you stand in this matter and would like to hear others' opinions about this.  O s c a r L  07:21, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Is this the Ann Dvorak reference? It just says that Dvorak's age was boosted a bit, and mentions Mary Carlisle as a fellow applicant, but doesn't say Mary Carlisle also boosted her age too... so I'd say it is inconclusive. Mabalu (talk) 09:49, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * See this comment from her official FB page: http://i.imgur.com/3PhGUsl.png
 * I don't get what's so difficult to understand about this OscarLake. No original research. No unreliable sources (like Facebook). No primary sources on articles about living people. As I've said before, get consensus (which you don't seem to have, since you've been reverted by three different users), get OTRS permission, or find a reliable source. You have three options and yet you choose to ignore all of them and continue to try and force your way. "I will never follow or enforce rules that goes against common sense" is not acceptable in a community project such as Wikipedia and your activities here are disruptive and fail to take the biographies of living people seriously. I've noticed that on other pages too, you're using unreliable sources and primary evidence on living people and this sort of disrespect for Wikipedia's policies and community has gone on too long. If I see anymore flaunting of the BLP policies (including adding Mary Carlisle to this list without a reliable source, OTRS ticket, or consensus) then I will be proposing a ban on your editing of the biographies of living people to the community. Editing BLPs is serious business and, if you refuse to hear that from me, then you can hear it from the community. Canadian   Paul  22:05, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * So it looks like Draja Mickaharic may have had a book published in March 2014. The title? "The Long Lived" (ISBN:1304946223). Fitting.... Mabalu (talk) 00:05, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Can we use the back cover of The Long Lived as evidence Draja's still alive? Or is it an unreliable/primary source? It does imply he was still alive in 2014, when he would have been 102 Mabalu (talk) 00:11, 6 December 2014 (UTC) (Edit - being WP:BOLD and moving this reasoning here.) Mabalu (talk) 12:53, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems perfectly reliable to me. I didn't use the Amazon link itself when I added it, but the book itself should be more than enough reasonable proof that he's made it past 100. It IS self-published but, given the nature of what we are citing it for (that he is alive and over 100), I think that it should be fine. Canadian   Paul  23:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Brockway McMillan's obituary here (http://www.ellsworthamerican.com/obituary/brockway-mcmillan/). Will add him to the list. Cheers --Jkaharper (talk) 16:32, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Hashim Khan
Thoughts on this one? Hashim Khan died in August 2014. His Washington Post obit says "he was widely believed to be 100, possibly 104". Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 15:00, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Without even a certain year I think he should be excluded. Even the claim to be 100 seems likely to be an exaggeration. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 17:48, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Tough call. On one hand, we have generally not included people whose centenarian status is in question, as Derby suggests. Then again, no one objected when I added Sheikh Mukhtar Mohamed Hussein on the strength that one of his obituaries claimed that he was 100 at the time of his death. His family celebrated his birthday on a particular date and believed he might have been older than 100, but the original research side of things suggests that he was born in 1916. So in other words, I'm no help at all. Canadian   Paul  07:58, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Vera Lynn
Vera Lynn is listed twice, in List of centenarians (musicians, composers and music patrons) and in List of centenarians (actors, filmmakers and entertainers). No doubt, there are good reasons for both, but normal practice is to list people only once in Lists of centenarians. Is there a case for removing her from one of those lists? Should those lists be combined? Should the principle of listing people only once be relaxed? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think she should only be listed as a musician. Any (limited) notability she had as an actor or entertainer was based on her notability as a singer.  DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 17:54, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

1916 births, still living
All set for 2016. Additions always welcome. Canadian  Paul  17:53, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, although I'm sure there must be more than this. Where did you get this list of names from? -- Ollie231213 (talk) 21:28, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I get them from this site, as well as any others that I come across on Wikipedia. There are almost certainly more and they usually pop up over the course of the year, but if you know of any others, please add them! Canadian   Paul  19:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Atkins added --Jkaharper (talk) 20:07, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Atkins restored. The source used came from before his 100th birthday and thus cannot be used to verify it. Canadian   Paul  12:58, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

1917 births, still living
This is what I have for 2017. Additions always welcomed! Canadian  Paul  13:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Dayton S. Mak is still living as of 2014:
 * Margot Wölk was edited to say she died in 2015, which was unsourced, but seems likely true, as she has not been confirmed since then. EternalNomad (talk) 17:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Mak added. I'll keep an eye for an official death confirmation for Wölk, but if nothing shows up for her 100th birthday, she'll end up moving to Possibly living people anyhow. Canadian   Paul  15:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Raymond Weber Jones deceased as per link on his article. Dahlberg was born in 1918 according to his article. --Jkaharper (talk) 18:58, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Dahlberg was born on the date I used above according to public records. While those aren't good enough to change the date on Wikipedia, they do indicate when we should be looking for a 100th birthday announcement. Canadian   Paul  11:18, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This citation from Morton Sobell's article suggests that he celebrated his 100th birthday last year, but it is only a passing mention and could be just an assumption rather than confirmation. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 07:15, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This obituary for his wife in July 2018 states that Sorbell was still alive at her death. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 03:47, 20 November 2018 (UTC)