Talk:Lithodes santolla

image of this krab exist in wikipedia french !!! and more informations --Butterfly voyages (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Reviving Lithodes antarcticus as a separate species
Apparently, the U.S. Food and Drug administration has reason to believe that Lithodes antarcticus may, in fact, be a separate species from Lithodes santolla (they are currently considered synonyms). This is from their work on genetic fingerprinting for seafood. I haven't actually seen the paper, but it sounds worth looking into. Kaldari (talk) 00:51, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That is indeed interesting, and while it's already something we can mention if worded carefully, I think we need to wait until something is formally published (i.e. probably a scientific paper) until we can treat the two as separate species. --Stemonitis (talk) 05:20, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Yes L. antarcticus which is caught in Chile and Peru in the Pacific Ocean has been entering the marketplace under the common name "Centolla" for many years. You can find this on the FDA 'Seafood List'. It is rather a shame as the spanish word centolla translates into Engish to mean "any marine crab". This is ever more confusing. It is as if we 'tagged' one species of butterfly with the name "butterfly". In 2005 test fishing began and advanced to full commercial fishing (2008)for L. santolla, Southern Red King Crab. L. santolla is caught in the Atlantic Ocean adjacent to Argentina. Both L. Antracticus and L. santolla are "marine crab" hence I hope you see the confusion. FDA published the common name for L. santolla as "Nova Crab" in 2008 and in 2011 they added the name Southern King Crab / Southern Red King Crab. My colleagues and I were the first to commrerically develop the L. santolla fishery and work continues with the Marine Stewardship Council, this day, to see the L. santolla fishery certified as a sustainable fishery. But consumers are confused. Where the geographic range where these two crab are caught is distinclty differnt (one in the Pacific Ocean and the other in the Atlantic Ocean)is a clear distinction, I can also provide pictures  of both crab which clearly elaborate the morphological differences which are immense. How can I participate with you to credibly differentiate the two with Wikipedia? I am familiar with 'publications' which declare the two to be one. Given the distinct and profound geographic and morphologicial differences perhaps these facts can simply be presnted pictorally on Wikipedia under both L. antarcticus and L. santolla inviting that readers /scientists question the history? The reason I think this is important is that L. santolla (Southern Red King Crab) is entering the USA marketplace (and for that matter the worlk marketplace) in ever greater numbers and consumers are confused. Thank You for your patience to read this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Novafish (talk • contribs) 14:32, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * All we need is some recently published source (preferably peer reviewed) that says the two crabs might actually be different species. Without that, any attempt to demonstrate that they are separate by showing morphological and geographical differences on Wikipedia would be considered original research, which is prohibited here. I myself have had to wait until my papers were published in scientific journals before updating the information on Wikipedia. This can be frustrating, but it's the only way to ensure that Wikipedia's information is verifiable. Kaldari (talk) 06:09, 10 June 2012 (UTC)