Talk:Little Charmers

Alt dates
I would also like a column to display the international air date (via Canada channel Treehouse) in addition to the earlier Nick Jr dates. Can we incorporate that? 64.228.91.102 (talk) 17:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you source all the air dates? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * They're what display on my digital TV guide and PVR, they list an 'original air date', so I expect this probably exists online in some capacity. I can only personally attest to the dates I've seen some air though. Perhaps there might be info on Treehouse TV. Occasionally they put up an episode so if I link to its page that could serve as a "latest date" I figure, until we find something more specific than such a guideline. 64.228.91.102 (talk) 02:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Split
This series has enough episodes now that I think we could consider splitting the episode list to its own page, what is required for this? There is already a gaudy whitespace left due to interaction with the top-right infobox, and it would get much bigger once descriptions are added. 64.228.91.102 (talk) 02:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Order
The footage of the Sparkle Tree in "No Charm in the House" appears in "The Magic of Charmville" so even though TMoC aired before NCitH the chronological order is different.

Not sure what order Nick aired them in, if both, but probably says something about the production order if the codes can be located. 64.228.89.137 (talk) 00:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's unclear what you are proposing. Whatever episode aired first should be listed first. The production order is likely not confirmable (episode #s do not necessarily equal production order anyway, since networks like Nick are notorious for matching segments per their whims.) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:19, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


 * all I mean is since the Nick date is missing for both of these, it is possible they may have debuted earlier in a different order, and numerical may need to be changed if they indeed preceded the Treehouse/Canada debut. If order is consistent then I will at least note in the episode summary of what it references as a flashback since this establishes a universe chronological order. 64.228.90.179 (talk) 18:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Pox and Tooth
Someone listed "Sing Song Pox" and "Tooth on the Loose" as episode 26 but with a US air date of October 26, 3 days from now. Why is it listed as being earlier than other episodes? Shouldn't it be at the end? 64.228.90.179 (talk) 17:40, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay it aired September 18 on Treehouse so definitely not at the end. But that could mean it precedes Pet Friends Forever and Magic of Charmville unless we can find earlier US dates for them. In Canada, Pox and Tooth preceded the 4 full-episode recap specials even if the first two aired first in the US. 64.228.90.179 (talk) 17:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Brazil
If the Google Doc is true and the Halloween episode first aired there in May this makes me wonder if any other episodes had earlier debuts in that country.

Should we make a third air date column for Brazil? Not sure how verifiable these would be though. I don't know if the template supports a tertiary input either. I'm for keeping US as main and Canada as Alt since that's most of the data so far.

Since there doesn't seem to be a consistent first/second I propose we bold the earlier known date for each episode so it is clear which country an episode first aired in to the best of our knowledge at that time. 64.228.90.179 (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

On Demand numbers
I did not think of this until now, but I have some episodes on demand via Bell. This assigns numbers to certain stories. Although it does not give the titles, these can be discerned from the summaries it does provide.

It is not conclusive but here is what I see at present. All begin with "S.01" indicating all are in the first season.


 * E.05 Feeling neglected by Hazel, Seven runs away and the girls must track him down
 * E.06 Hazel accidentally switches bodies with her Mom and realizes her job as Enchantress is a lot harder...
 * E.09 After finding Moms old chatterbox, the girls have fun with it and end up causing it to spew out horrible spells that make Charmville go bananas.
 * E.10 While trying to add something special to their fashion show outfits, Lavender accidentally makes the girls have big dumbo ears!
 * E.21 Plans for an Ogre wedding go wrong when Hazel tries to improve the decorations. The Charmers befriend a baby magic carpet separated from its flock.
 * E.22 Hazel charms herself into a unicorn to help a baby unicorn learn to jump rainbows.
 * E.23 Hazel gets the Sing-Song Pox from her Dad and accidentally spreads it around Charmville, Hazel has a loose tooth and really wants to meet the Tooth Fairy.
 * E.25 To finish her Enchantress lessons in a hurry, Hazel casts a spell that gives her super speed/When the Charmhouse refuses to open its doors to the Little Charmers, what could be wrong?

These are all full episodes but in many cases the summary only reflects one segment, I have seen this error on summaries sometimes, like they are short on space or lazy. Anyway I believe it implies this order:
 * 05: Lucky Seven (we list as ep 4 with Moon Madness)
 * 06: Switcheroo (we list as ep 5 with Garden Pests)
 * 09: Charming Chatterbox (we list as ep 6 with Cluck Stars)
 * 10: Fashion No Show (we list as ep 8 with Locket or Lose it)
 * 21: A Charming Wedding / Snug Little Rug (we list as episode 20)
 * 22: Somewhere Over the Rainbow (we list as episode 21 with Circus Surprise)
 * 23: Sing Song Pox / A Tooth on the Loose (we list as episode 26)
 * 25: Hurry Up Hazel / No Charm in the House (we list as episode 28)

So in every case the On-Demand numbers which Treehouse has associated with these episodes differs from what we have in the table. There are cases when episodes become available On Demand prior to actualky being broadcast. Unfortunately the data it was added is not listed and I don't remember when it first went up.

Is it possible these assigned numbers reflect production coding?

Also it seems around the time there would be a split into a season 2 so we should keep a look out for indications of that. 64.228.90.179 (talk) 18:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Now some different episodes are available on demand I will give summaries for. If anyone doubts I can take screencaps. The summaries should allow us to match it up with the titles and I can also watch the start to make sure they match up. Some of them just trail off as if they are character-capped portions of fuller descriptions pasted there from the distributors. Even though they are full 24 minute episodes which should have 2 stories, the descriptions for 1-4 only appear to reflect one story while 29 and 31-34 have 2 sentences reflecting two.
 * E.01 When Hazel and her friends turn a frog prince into a real prince they must teach him to be charming before time runs out.
 * E.02 Hazels attempt to clean up her room with magic before her mom gets home...
 * E.03 When Hazel accidentally replicates herself 11 times to clean her room quickly, she must reverse the spell before the Hazels make an even...
 * E.04 The girls cast a do over spell to repeat their spark-tacular day at the Charmville...
 * E.29 Hazels super-sized wand transforms Parsley into a super-sized baby. When the charmers play princesses, who will they find to be their knight in shining armor
 * E.31 After the Charmers spell their instruments to play better, they cant stop the music. Hazels painting of Posey captures Posie for real, when Posie gets trapped inside
 * E.32 Hazel tries to help Lavender memorize a potion but a spell makes Lavender forget everything! The Little Charmers accidentally turn their no-fun babysitter into a party animal.
 * E.33 The Charmers magic dancing spell makes all the shoes in town dance to their princess party! Hazel takes a tiny break from her enchantress training.
 * E.34 Hazel gives everyone in town charmed bracelets, but the spell makes them copy Hazel. Hazel tries to win a cookie-making contest with magic and winds up with mud cookies.

This also indicates that season 2 had not begun up to 34. Until eps 35-40 appear on-demand I will not know if they are still S1 though. Based on the above summaries I match these up with:
 * 1: Prince Not So Charming
 * 2: Double Trouble Spell
 * 3: Double Trouble Spell
 * 4: A Charming Do-Over (we list this as 3)
 * 29: Wandering Wand and Good Knight Good Day (we list this as episode 33)
 * 31: Band on the Run and Picture Perfect Posie (we list this as episode 34)
 * 32: Forget Me Not and Nelson in Charge (we list this as episode 35)
 * 33: Glass Slipper and Hazel You Shrunk the Charmers (we list this as episode 36)
 * 34: Hazel-Nuts and Charming Cookies (we list this as episode 38)

I will skim through these on-demand to confirm but we may need to fix some things. These numbers might reflect production codes or the original air order via Nick. Since we are lacking air dates, the order of later episodes has been established on Treehouse-Canada dates which may have altered the order. If we can find some Nick Jr debut dates and check if they match the above order that might clarify things. --174.92.135.167 (talk) 15:38, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Season or Volume 2
Thought it would be good to have a section discussing implications of this.

https://www.amazon.com/Franken-Flare-Charming-Cheers/dp/B013D2U4NY/191-1010554-4886429?_encoding=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0 claims there are THREE seasons and refers to Franken Flare / Charming Cheers as season 2 episode 7. We list it as episode 17 so I get the impression they are declaring each 10 episodes as a season.

Per the above list where Treehouse On Demand explicitly refers to Season 1 Episode 25, I do not get the impression they agree with whoever is selling the episode on Amazon.

I believe this confusion may be related to how iTunes markets it. https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/little-charmers-vol.-2/id961135798 describes episodes 11-20 as "volume 2" so its likely when shipped to Amazon that volume was confused for season.

This same volume 2 division is seen on NickJrPlay's YouTube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=ELn4Xjbu6psfTJaLym5qy7Mg where they require payment to view the videos.

Based on the consistency of the official YT/iTunes/Amazon (majority favoring "volume" over "season") would anyone be agreeable to splitting the episode list by volume? Or, like DVD compilations, is this something we should only note afterward?

Of interest is the iTunes volume 2 says it was released February 20, 2015. This is the date of episode 11. Could this mean episodes 12-20 were released by Apple prior to being televised? 64.228.90.179 (talk) 18:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't have time to respond to all of this. I will point out that this show is listed at Amazon as having three seasons, when there were only two produced, and the pull-down for seasons lists 1, 3 and 4. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:26, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Production codes column and Futon Critic
Do we have anything besides this as a reference? Where did FC get this data? Where is 108 and 115 and 117 and 118 and 119 and 120?

He calls it 40 eps of 80x11min. This is already an error since we already have 7 full-episode segments which are not 11 min. Only 25 are split into 50x11min so far. How do we know there will be 8 more? Does The Futon Critic have privy info? 64.228.90.179 (talk) 19:14, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Why don't you ask them? In the interim it is considered reliable by the community. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:25, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * One thing I would propose is only referencing FutonCritic in individual episode rows. It should not be used in the column headings because it only goes up so far, and does not give data for certain episodes. If people add data about production codes or US air dates it gives the impression FutonCritic supports them when it does not. --174.92.135.167 (talk) 16:53, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Newmarket, Ontario; ISP: Bell Canada user
Since you keep hopping IPs and making it needlessly difficult to discuss matters with you directly, I'll post this publicly. Please stop using unnecessary parentheticals as you did in this edit as well as other edits at other articles. Parentheticals are sloppy. They're not intended to replace proper grammar, and they are certainly not intended to be packages of information that people haphazardly mash into article prose. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:17, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Will try to keep it in mind, although I pretty much use them unconsciously. I edit on another's comp with cookies disabled which prevents logging in on it, sorry for the difficulty that causes. 64.228.90.179 (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Zap2it numbering
Noticed it referred to Band on the Run / Picture Perfect Posie as episode 32, but it is 34th on our table. Any idea which 2 episodes Z2I is missing?

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/little-charmers/episode-guide/EP02093284?aid=zap2it

In going through it, it does appear our table could use some re-ordering. Due to a March 22 debut, Zip Zoom Broom / Sheep Over Party should be episode 14, moving Sparkle Bunny to 15 as it aired March 29. Frankenflare/Charming Cheers is also listed as the 29th so I am not sure how priority was decided but Zap lists it as episode 16 so I guess it aired after.
 * Bean there done that / Charmville Unchained from 18 to 17
 * My Charmhoue / Frog For from 19 to 18
 * Charm Yor Mom Day from 15 to 19.. although maybe this should wait until we know the Treehouse date? 64.228.90.179 (talk) 03:02, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Magic as Machic
Took a shot showing the difference between the on-screen title versus what it shows up in as TV guides at http://imgur.com/i8OPZa2 if anyone is skeptical. --174.92.135.167 (talk) 15:28, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

ShowBuzzDaily
Pages from this site have been added to support ratings for some episodes. I assumed good faith til now since checking was an overwhelming task but today checked one to see if it mentioned a title or number out of curiosity:

This is listed next to Zip Zoom Broom, allegedly supporting a 0.65 rating. I was not able to locate it on the chart. Tried portions of the title to no avail. I looked for where it should end up on the chart at the bottom which lists all 100 and is searchable (made of text) and Rizzoli and Isles has 0.63 and above it is Pretty Little Liars with 0.84.

This makes me call into doubt all of these. Manually checking each one may have to wait. I won't boldly remove these ratings and there references without first giving a chance to fix them or receive an explanation on how to navigate the page by the adder.

Ideally if we can confirm one of these SBD references, a quote should be provided from the page of the supporting text, as an affirmation of having read it and confirmed it supports the rating. If this is to stand the test of time, making sure Wayback archives it would also be good. If you are worried that SBD added a rating then changed it later, archives would prevent such tampering. 174.92.135.167 (talk) 05:40, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * rather than continuing to revert reliably sourced information (no idea why you feel the need to remove Hazel Nuts and Charming Cookies, their existence has been supported) could you first please resolve the issue with all the sources you added for ratings? If you could please double-check that they do all actually mention Little Charmers and add quotes, or give instructions on what to search for or click on that page to display the data, because it's just not showing up.
 * In Special:Diff/699056515 while adding URLs to support ratings, you also changed some start dates from early October to late November. I didn't notice this at first. This is particularly concerning because you didn't go through the process of fact-tagging to allow us to explore the validity of those earlier dates before replacing them.
 * Even if we do somehow locate Little Charmers being mentioned on your mass influx of ShowBuzzDaily links, how do we know these are the first time the showe aired? What if it was a rerun which brought in the high ranking?
 * I had to fix a lot of problems with these regarding aliasing, it looked like such a mass copy/paste that it had stuff along the lines of 1x28 being listed for both ep 28 and 31 and so forth. I really do not trust this process of what you're doing here, changing dates and supplying ratings I can't find when I try to check your sources. You have at least gone to filling out SOME kind of edit summary, but it is still very brief and dismissive.
 * Please stop removing episodes from the page, I supplied a source which described its number and title and air date, more than what I can say for ShowBuzzDaily. Just check out the above diff. Look at the first thing. Rating 0.93 for 1x30 and changing date from October 9 to November 30. Where does http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-monday-cable-originals-network-update-11-30-2015.html support it? All I am seeing is:
 * 37 LITTLE CHARMERS NICK JR 6:00 PM 30 0.22 929
 * So yeah, AN episode of Little Charmers happened to air that day, but we have no idea which one. 30 refers to how many minutes the episode ran, not the episode number. You will have to clarify how we know which episode aired that night, otherwise the source should be removed as it is not evidencing anything except an episode of the show performed something that day. I notice a lack of 0.93 on that line too. Is that you rounding 929 or something? I still don't see proof of this page showing any particular episode though, you need to supply a source confirming which episode it was. Furthermore, that does not at all prove it is a debut date or invalidate the existing date. Please restore the original dates, fact-tag them if you doubt them, but give people a chance to supply proof of those earlier nick names. We can contact the users who added them and ask. 174.92.135.167 (talk) 07:01, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That said, if your changes are accurate and reflect a bunch of episodes debuting in Canada prior to US, we should probably restructure a 'in U.S.' and 'in Canada' disclaimer for dates (reflecting source) and make proper use of the original/alt date fields to reflect when an episode aired first. 174.92.135.167 (talk) 07:01, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Season 2
Noticed something interesting at http://www.nelvana.com/show/228/little-charmers it says "Season 1, 2" but it only says 40 episodes and I know from viewing the on-demand profile that it's still considered season 1 as of episode 35. So unless season 2 is only 5 episodes, this might mean they initially meant it to be 20 eps a season but the distributors didn't bother with it?

Also says length is 80x11 minutes. This for the most part conforms to most of the 40 eps being 2-part but there are 8 episodes which are solid all the way through, not 2 part. --174.92.135.167 (talk) 06:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

DirecTV
I have been looking for places we can verify our missing dates and have been looking for OnDemand sites which give more extensive data. Happened across https://www.directv.com/tv/Little-Charmers-dmtQV3l4VFhvSVNGby9GckxSaXJvUT09 which may be useful. It associates numbers with title and lists some "First Aired" dates we can contrast with what is up.

What is nice is each episode has its own URL so we can cite them individually rather than a master list. It will be a bit time-consuming to add but I think it could help build on our conversation. 174.92.135.167 (talk) 21:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

It counts only 27 even though the list goes up to 32, meaning that it is missing 5 titles. Here is what I see (removing the "New" tags which appear after everything except ep 1):
 * Ep 32 Band on the Run; Picture Perfect Posie First Aired: 11/13/2015
 * Ep 31 Wandering Wand; Good Knight, Good Day First Aired: 11/6/2015
 * Ep 30 Dad's Hat Magic; Charming Ogres First Aired: 10/27/2015
 * Ep 29 A Charming Mistake; A Charming Surprise Birthday First Aired: 10/16/2015
 * Ep 28 Unicorn Without a Horn; All Stirred Up First Aired: 10/9/2015
 * Ep 27 Charming Nightlights; Charming Babies First Aired: 10/2/2015
 * Ep 26 Hurry Up Hazel; No Charm in the House First Aired: 9/25/2015
 * Ep 25 Sing Song Pox; Tooth on the Loose First Aired: 9/18/2015
 * Ep 24 Musical Moments First Aired: 8/22/2015
 * Ep 23 Magical Mistakes First Aired: 8/22/2015
 * Ep 22 Somewhere Over the Rainbow; Circus Surprise First Aired: 8/20/2015
 * Ep 19 Charm Your Mom Day; A Charming Campout First Aired: 5/8/2015
 * Ep 18 My Charmhouse Is Your Charmhouse; Frog for a Day First Aired: 4/19/2015
 * Ep 17 Bean There, Done That; Charmville Unchained First Aired: 4/5/2015
 * Ep 16 Frankenflare; Charming Cheers First Aired: 3/29/2015
 * Ep 14 Zip Zoom Broom; Sheep Over Party First Aired: 3/22/2015
 * Ep 13 Wish Upon a Jar; Upside Down Friends First Aired: 3/13/2015
 * Ep 12 Hairy Ways; Calling All Cauldrons First Aired: 3/1/2015
 * Ep 11 A Charming Trio; Add A Little Parsley First Aired: 2/20/2015
 * Ep 10 Uncharmed Life; Pest Friends Forever First Aired: 2/20/2015
 * Ep 8 Fashion No Show; Locket or Lose It First Aired: 1/29/2015
 * Ep 7 Freeze Dance; The Gingerbread Boy First Aired: 1/27/2015
 * Ep 6 Charming Chatterbox; Cluck Stars First Aired: 1/23/2015
 * Ep 4 Lucky Seven; Moon Madness First Aired: 1/19/2015
 * Ep 3 A Charming Do Over; A Charming Fad First Aired: 1/15/2015
 * Ep 2 Double Trouble Spell; Charming Pets First Aired: 1/14/2015
 * Ep 1 Prince Not So Charming; A Charming Outfit First Aired: 1/12/2015

So looking above, absent is episode 5, 9 15, 20 and 21 (and naturally 33+) but enough exist that as I go through and cite the sub-pages for each one and check them against our existing numbers/titles/dates it should be easy enough to figure out by process of elimination what goes where. Although it does have the full-ep specials of Magical Moments and Musical Mistakes, it is missing the compilation specials of Pet Friends Forever and The Magic of Charmville. It is also missing the Valentine special "Charmy Hearts Day" and the Easter special of Sparkle Bunny. I believe the final gap may end up being "Spooky Pumpkin Moon Night" which is apparently not episode 32 as we originally thought. As I incorporate these sources into the list, it should settle the issue of unsourced dates and official numbering that has been going on. 174.92.135.167 (talk) 04:11, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Treehouse original air dates
In spite of the January 19 announcement that Little Charmers was scheduled to debut on January 31 on Treehouse, records from Treehouse distributor BellTV reflect that episode 2 (Double Trouble Spell and Charming Pets) debuted Sunday January 25 and episode 1 (Prince Not So Charming and A Charming Outfit) debuted Sunday February 1.

I took physical photographs of the Bell TV guide on my TV as well as PrtScn captures of the guide as it is presented to people on the website. All 4 are at http://imgur.com/a/KGCdp and support these dates. Unfortunately this is data not everyone can access because you need to have a MyBell account to be able to log in to check this data. It is at https://mybell.bell.ca/TV/Guide/?showguide=1 but without the ?AcctNo= and then account number, the guide does not display. The "What's On TV" section available to view by people who are not logged into a MyBell account does not provide as much information, and does not tell you the original air date, just the title.

I would like to cite this data as soon as I can figure out the proper template to use for it. I am not sure what to classify it as. FAQs alternatively call it a "TV guide" or "channel guide". Any ideas? Would a simple citeweb with a note that it is subscription-based data access? It is unfortunate that I cannot think of a way to distribute this in original form but I can't think of a way of doing that without giving out my account number and password, which I am not interested in doing, so screenshot is all I can think of doing. 174.92.135.167 (talk) 03:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Gingerbread Girl and Charming Drill
I noticed the same IP just added and removed these as upcoming episodes for March 29 and am very curious about this. If it is cited on zap or something we could add it.. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 17:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Split
I totally agree with the first comment I saw on the discussion page. It really should be altered into List of Little Charmers Episodes. Because it has SO MANY EPISODES NOW! When the horse did it start?! Please do the split now. Love Peter Lowenbrau Griffin.

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Vandalism
I see this page is frequently vandalised and ruined by poor edits. Can some users more experienced than me in these problems be of help? --Lonely Boy (talk) 20:01, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Seasons
I see that there's a lot of episodes, and I'm willing to do the switch to "List of Little Charmers episodes," but since there's a debate on episode numbering I have to wonder how many seasons does this show have and when does it start and end? If this is all one season (which is really hard to believe), then we cannot switch it to its own page until season 2 episode 1 has been confirmed. Palettepony895 (talk) 00:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * season 2 just debuted last night so you could do it now if you want. ScratchMarshall (talk) 20:30, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The deed is done. :) Palettepony895 (talk) 22:07, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Episode numbering
And speaking of seasons, what's up with the episode numbering fiasco anyway? Nick Jr.'s site gives some episode numbers, shouldn't we use that, or is there a problem with it? Palettepony895 (talk) 00:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, NickJr site displays a three digit number in each episode URL. I noticed that all of the few known production codes provided in the page's sources (The Futon Critic, for example) corresponded with these numbers, meaning that they are indeed the production codes we were looking for. With a lot of patience, I managed to collect each of this codes, and now I took note of them all, except for "The Magic of Charmville" and "Pet Friends Forever", which are frequently ignored by internet sites and apparently were never uploaded even on NickJr.com.


 * Someone else has already used this urls as sources, for "Unicorn Without a Horn/All Stirred Up", for example; therefore I think we should really use NickJr.com as source. If no one disagrees, I could start to do it myself. I can also show every url as a proof, together with the list I made.

--Lonely Boy (talk) 16:18, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't rely on numbers in a URL. They may correspond, but they also may not, and there's no guarantee that whomever is in charge of uploading the files is naming them correctly, or linking them correctly. It's a big leap of faith. Unless there's a clear source that unambiguously numbers the episodes, I'd omit the numbering. It should also be noted that these aren't necessarily production codes, rather they might only be episode codes. What's the difference? Studios use internal coding so they know what their budget was for a certain episode segment. Once the segments are produced, the studio can opt to release them in whatever package they wish. Let's say a segment about friendship was produced first (we'll give it a production code of NLC001), then the 20th segment, NLC020 is also about friendship. The studio can opt to combine these and release them as episode 101. "Episode 101" doesn't tell you anything about when each of the segments was produced, it only tells you that the studio considers that episode #101. So there's not a whole lot of value to these numbers and there's no requirement that we include them. Just a thought. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:21, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


 * So it would be more likely that every single episode has its own production code, and not a production code for every "couple"; then I highly doubt that we will be able to collect these kind of information. If this is the case, how about discarding the whole production codes stuff and replacing the "production code" header with "episode code" in the table? At least there would be an order. I also would like to know if the fact that the "codes" in the urls are only numerical without letters is a further proof that these aren't the production codes we were looking for, since I remember some shows to have confirmed production codes which are alphanumerical.
 * --Lonely Boy (talk) 22:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Some shows use alphanumerical production codes but some use numbers. Big network shows (major ones like NBC, CBS, tend to use the alphanumeric ones, I believe) but networks like Nick and Disney might use numbers. I don't have any opinions about how the content should be presented in the article. As an admin I'd prefer the article regulars figure that out. I'm just imparting some info about stuff I've learned over the years editing here. Regards. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:34, 5 February 2017 (UTC)