Talk:Little Orme

What's the source for this "Elephant Rock" business? I don't live in Llandudno but I know it well as I live in the area and went to secondary school there, but I must say I've never heard of the name. I asked a few friends if they'd heard of "Elephant Rock" and they hadn't a clue what or where it was either. I've reworded it slightly as "known locally as" implies it is well known by that name, which it certainly is not. Any further information please? If it's just an "in phrase" used by a few people I'm not sure it warrants inclusion, especially right at the start of the article; it certainly gives the reader with no knowledge of Llandudno the impression that that's what everyone local calls it, which is definitely not true. Enaidmawr (talk) 00:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I do agree with you, I have never heard it called that nor in fact have I heard the Great Orme called a crocodile. But there is a reference. In Chapter 1 ( page 7) of his book of photos "Llandudno Past and Present" (IBSN 0750929030), Jim Roberts, referring to origins of word "Orme" says: "Nowadays, the promenader looking out to sea is more likely to think that the Great Orme on his left is a crocodile basking on a rock, and the Little Orme to his right is an elephant half immersed in the sea." This, as written, could well be Mr Roberts personal view and I do not consider it alone to be encyclopedic. I will leave the matter to others to decide. NoelWalley (talk) 08:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that information. That probably explains it. However just because an author says something along those lines that, as you say, is just his observation and clearly does not even imply that the Ormes are called "Elephant Rock" or "Crocodile whatever". I'm deleting the reference as unsound and unencyclopedic - if it belongs anywhere it would be in a trivia sub-section called "What some writers have compared the Little Orme to"! - and will take a look at the Orme article too (wasn't aware of that till now). Enaidmawr (talk) 00:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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Little Orme's Head
There is no reference to this name in the article at present and yet it is printed on the OS 25k map in addition to 'Little Orme'; indeed on the 50K map, it is the only label for this locality. I'm guessing that the two names are used interchangeably by some but others may differentiate between them, perhaps LOH referring simply to the summit of the wider hill which they know as LO, or else LOH might be in reference to the marine nature of the place? An early 6" map(https://maps.nls.uk/view/101606034) refers to the whole place as LOH. Would be interesting to see if any useful (referenced) detail can be added. diolch Geopersona (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2021 (UTC)