Talk:Litzy

Litzy, Born in Mexico City, Not Dominican
Somebody put two entries claiming Litzy was born Dominican, which probably meant in the Dominican Republic. But whoever added those claims, put no citations. And since the Spanish Wikipedia article has a citation for Mexico City, I deleted the Dominican claims. (EnochBethany (talk) 01:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC))

Senora Acero is not any expansion of the Jennifer Lopez movie
The telenovela Una Maid En Manhattan is the expansion of the JL movie. Senora Acero is not. And Litzy is not the protagonist of SA; she was of the telenovela UMEM. (EnochBethany (talk) 02:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC))
 * Delete notes, since missing references. And what you mean to put in the notes section; "Prostitute" is vandalism, this section is not to describe the characters.--  Philip J Fry   Talk    03:37, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Absurd. It is not vandalism to list the role Litzy played in SA.  She was a prostitute and drug addict, her role, as opposed to being the protagonist.  It is closer to vandalism to delete the citations given.  Yes, that section did describe Litzy's characters in her telenovelas.  And you can call it vandalism to delete the fact that in AC, she broke out of the Cinderella type-cast.  Actually it is the roles of Litzy are not defined by the name she was given in the telenovelas, but by her function in those telenovelas, as for example, "protagonist."  So if you don't want to describe the role (papel) you can give the names of the characters whom she played, but then it should be changed in heading from "Role" to "Name of character."  (EnochBethany (talk) 22:27, 20 March 2015 (UTC))
 * , In case you see here somewhere "prostitute"?. Important notes as the name of the episodes where came the actress (in case of series), should only be placed or if made a cameo, or if it is the main character or part of the secondary cast. Is it correct case to put "prostitute"?, section notes, is to describe other kinds of things, not to say that role had its character. And if you will not be using for that, better leave it like this.--  Philip J Fry   Talk    22:42, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Your English is not altogether coherent to me. I changed the boxes back to the original form which had roles instead of names. If you have some proof from Style manual that these boxes under "role" should not give the role, but the name of the character, please cite it.  The original said, "protagonist," for all other main telenovela roles, which is correct.  I changed it back to its original concept and put "prostitute in a footnote," making it supporting character in the roles section.  I am not aware of any style manual violation at all.  So let the reverter prove it or relent.


 * Litzy was not the Main Protagonist in AC -- why do you persist in this error? And your citation does not say she was "main protagonist either."  I suggest you change it to "supporting character" yourself.  (EnochBethany (talk) 23:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC))


 * The Change to "Lead Role" is not good. The roles were Protagonist, Leading lady.  In AC, Litzy was not the Leading Lady, but a supporting character.  And the citation 7 does not support the claim of "lead role."  Why do you want to call Litzy protagonist or lead role in this show?  It is simply false.  (EnochBethany (talk) 23:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC))

(EnochBethany (talk) 22:45, 20 March 2015 (UTC))

The Order of Telenovelas is Wrong in the Boxes
Pecadora was made before Quiereme Tonto ("Tonto" dropped from the name eventually). Pecadora began in August, 2009, and ran into 2010 in its Venevision/Univision run. Also, the original AC ended already on Telemundo. "Present" is a problematical word to use because such word will quickly be wrong. Apparently a segunda temporada is planned for this show.(EnochBethany (talk) 23:24, 20 March 2015 (UTC))
 * First, Señora Acero is a series and in September will premiere the second season on Telemundo. Then it is correct to put "present". I recommend you to see first Señora Acero, before saying that Litzy is star of the soap opera. On the order mean that gives equal, those soap operas were premiered in 2010. Of all if you want to change that for good.--  Philip J Fry   Talk    23:31, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Blanca Soto was the protagonist of SA, not Litzy. Why are you so set on promulgating this error?  Your citation does not support your claim.  Litzy was a friend of BS, a supporting character, not the main character in SA.  I never said that Litzy was the star of SA.   Pecadora began August 2009.  So that needs correcting.  And actually a telenovela is not a soap opera; different genre; for soap opera connotes never ending series that goes on & on; while a telenovela is a screen novel that has an ending.  We cannot know what Telemundo will do, whether or not it goes through with a 2nd season -- telenovelas may be announced with trailers & they never happen.  Is it the case that you have a personal relationship to Litzy & want to puff her role for that reason?  I have followed Litzy for years now & been wanting to see her success, but I do not intend to distort the truth.  (EnochBethany (talk) 23:44, 20 March 2015 (UTC))
 * Litzy is the protagonist, and that you can see here. Or do you have a reference that says otherwise?. Señora Acero is a series, as previously announced the second season and soon started recording. Or if we could not say the same thing about "El Señor de los Cielos", So far carrying 3 seasons.--  Philip J Fry    Talk    23:56, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Litzy is not the protagonist of AC; Blanca Soto is
Neither your YouTube clip nor your citations prove that Litzy is the protagonist of AC. Blanca Soto is the protagonist. Litzy plays a friend of the protagonist. I have changed your false "main protagonist" which has no reliable secondary sources for support.— (EnochBethany (talk) 15:01, 22 March 2015 (UTC))
 * The Youtube video are the official credits.--  Philip J Fry   Talk    15:05, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I went to your YouTube video and did not see "Protagonista." I saw "Actuación especial."  So put [i]Actuación especial[/i] if you want; but she is not the protagonist.  Stop edit warring. You have no proof for your false claim. The references to Blanca Sota as protaginist are many.  Look even at the ones you cited. They do not say that Litzy was the protagonist.  You can support "actuación especial." (EnochBethany (talk) 15:16, 22 March 2015 (UTC))
 * Can you use a correct format for references?. See: Template:Cite web. And the notes are not to describe the characters, to describe that role has the actress in such a project.--  Philip J Fry   Talk    15:22, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Unless you have some reliable secondary sources that state that Litzy was "co-lead" you need to change that to actuación especial, which you cannot cite from YouTube (which says it in the lead), since Wikipedia doesn't allow citing YouTube for this. But I it should be easy to give a secondary source for actuación especial.  Litzy was not a "co-lead," but had a role secondary to that of Blanca Sota, as her friend in this telenovela.  (EnochBethany (talk) 15:26, 22 March 2015 (UTC))
 * Is it serious?, if a special participation, she would not be in the second season, in fact his character died in the season 1, in the credits after Blanca Soto, come it. Am not going to change anything, your say and say thousands of things, and I don't see any reference to contributions. Since when an actor of the secondary cast of a soap opera is does so important to leave in the intro of the telenovela?. Can you explain me that?.--  Philip J Fry   Talk    15:32, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, there is no reliable secondary source that says "special participation," thus one would not use that term. This has nothing to do with a temporada segunda. This has to do with reliable secondary sources.  Since the credits say, actuación especial, that is the proper term, though you need secondary instead of primary source for it.  Your footnotes 7 & 8 must be deleted or used elsewhere as neither of them says "co-lead."  If you are going to say, "co-lead," then you need reliable secondary sources that say this.  But since Litzy was not co- anything, but definitely second fiddle in this show, co-lead will not be found in any reliable secondary. source.  "Co-lead" simply will not stand without citations to support it.  The correct title is actuación especial, which may not be translatable to English -- so I suggest you just leave it that way or put "a main character."  She is not THE main character, but A main character. Do we have a consensus on this?  Co-lead must go, and citations that do not say "co-lead" may not be used.  Here is another suggestion:  use co-star, if you can find a secondary source for it.(EnochBethany (talk) 16:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC))


 * Philip, why did you revert co-star? And you put no discussion here.  Do you have some source for "co-lead"? That term is misleading and is wrong to use without a citation. Litzy was not co-lead, but secondary to the protagonist.  (EnochBethany (talk) 04:05, 24 March 2015 (UTC))
 * Remove all the notes, I clearly put references, but that it gives equal, so better notes and end of the problem are not placed. And no longer create so many sections to talk about the same thing, because I am confused.--  Philip J Fry   Talk    04:16, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Philip, sorry that I don't understand your English. But you don't own this article.  It existed long before your changes.  There is no justification for your change of Protagonist to Main Lead.  And you have no citation to justify co-lead.  I am going to revert your post to my correction, for which I have a citation.  Litzy is referred to in a secondary source as a star in this show. She is not referred to as "co-lead" anywhere but in your imagination, thus far from all my internet searching on this.  She is a co-star, but not the co-lead.  If you keep on, we will need someone to settle this dispute.  (EnochBethany (talk) 04:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC))
 * I corrected the "lead role" in AC to supporting role & gave a citation for it. Litzy got a nomination for best supporting actress. & I put the citation for it. (PeacePeace (talk) 05:08, 14 April 2019 (UTC))

Why the Change in role from Protagonist to "Lead-role"?
I suggest you put back Protagonist as better English diction. (EnochBethany (talk) 03:52, 24 March 2015 (UTC))

Wrong date & Order of Pecadora
I fixed the date, since it began in August, 2009, aired by Univision in the USA. They are out of order. I will let someone else fix the order. (EnochBethany (talk) 04:00, 24 March 2015 (UTC))
 * Why just don't change it your?, that goes for years, not by dates of premieres or years of home recordings. And really this tired, carries all the discussion creating new sections to repeat the same thing over and over again. The way in which this "Lead role", this right, can also be used in this way.--  Philip J Fry   Talk    04:04, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The telenovela dates obviously include start & finish -- nothing to do with "home recordings." The new sections concern distinct problems with your edits, which should not be confused.  Hey, I wish you the best.  (EnochBethany (talk) 04:35, 24 March 2015 (UTC))

I had corrected the title of Borderline (2009/II) -- why did you change it back to the abbreviated title?
Since there must be many movies named Borderline, it is best to use the full name. Second thoughts: I think you are probably correct, since YouTube has this movie trailer as simply Borderline & posted by Mambola. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1444301/combined (EnochBethany (talk) 05:01, 24 March 2015 (UTC))
 * That is not the title, is the year in which the film was issued. IMDb puts it that way.--  Philip J Fry   Talk    05:52, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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