Talk:Liu Xiang (hurdler)

Metre or Meter
Metre is not a wrong word. It's British English as 'meter' is American English. Cbf729 10:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC) Metre is the SI spelling. 131.111.139.100 (talk) 15:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

POV cleanup
The article (especially his 2008 Olympic injury) needs a thorough POV cleanup. Let's just report on the incident without adding any further personal commentary or peacock terms. --Madchester (talk) 06:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

For whoever decided to remove that lead-in, here is what I have to say. Liu's iconic image in China is not doubted by anyone inside and outside of China. He faced massive pressure going into the games, and more than one source, Chinese and Western, had called his events "one of the most anticipated" (this includes Sohu, Sina, CCTV, NBC, BBC, Voice of America etc.). Simply because this makes him seem great does not make it POV. That is ridiculous. This phrase can even be considered separate to the injury in and of itself. Colipon+(T) 07:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, review the two policies listed above. Even if an individual is accomplished in his field, we have to be careful not to over-state his accomplishments.  We have to write in a neutral POV, not from the perspective of a fan (or a critic).  Using terminology like "devastating" won't do.
 * Also WP:BLP states that we write as conservatively as we can above biographical subjects. Again, it states not to be "sensationalist" in writing.  For example, the Michael Phelps article states that he is the most decorated Olympic gold medallist of all-time.  However, nowhere does it make the claim that he's the greatest Olympian ever.  Likewise, the earlier statement of Liu's withdrawal being "the greatest disappointment in Chinese sporting history" was not written in a neutral fashion, nor was it properly sourced, and easily violated WP:BLP.  Right now the statement that it was the "biggest upset in the 2008 Games" is better, but it still needs to be better integrated with the rest of the article with more reliable sources to satisfy WP:BLP. --Madchester (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

It is claimed that the Achilles tendon injury that pulled Xiang out of the 2008 games was a separate injury from the one which forced him to pull out of the New York race, reportedly a hamstring injury. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7567283.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.47.137 (talk) 16:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

This article still includes a number of peacock terms, which I've tried to remove, as well as contains many unreferenced claims. I started going through adding citation needed tags but gave up. If you edit this page, please add the reference you're using, or don't bother editing. I'm sure most, if not all, of the claims made are true, so it shouldn't be difficult to find citations (and I may start adding some in). I also note that sections are poorly worded and structured - for example the "olympics 2004" section includes events not really related to the olympics 2004, and the early sentences aren't written in a neutral descriptive manner. --Owheelj (talk) 23:45, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

False Start
So, who was guilty of the false start in the 2008 hurdles, just before Liu dropped out? Wikipedia currently claims that Liu was not guilty. However, the cited article clearly claims the contrary.Pierrecurie (talk) 06:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * According to the official results published here the false start (F1 under heading Fn) was caused by Marcel van der Westen. Guss2 (talk) 07:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If you had bothered to watch the race, you would know it was the Hurdler from the Netherlands that false started. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.221.246.205 (talk) 04:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

3-step vs 4-step stride
The article says,
 * Liu, at 1.89 m (6 ft 2 in) and 85 kg (187 lb), was taller than most sprint hurdlers, and he has showed spectacular athleticism by constraining his naturally long stride to the three-step pattern necessary in order to avoid the alternation of lead legs in hurdling.

A longer stride means fewer stides to cover the same distance. It's shorter, not taller, hurdlers who four-step (and btw, that requires atheleticism to lead with both legs in the mentioned alternation). Since there is no reference for the item, I propose it would be OK to err on the side of logic and delete that item. The item would make sense if it were possible for Liu to **two**-step the hurdles, but I think that would be superhuman, I've never heard of anyone even trying that. Pete St.John (talk) 17:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm deleting this section. A google search of the top ten placed athletes from the 2012 London Olympics shows that the top 9 ranged in height from 6 foot to 6'5", while 10th was the shortest at 5'11". The medal winners were 6'1", 6'1" and 6'3" respectively. Clearly Liu Xiangs height is not notably taller than the top sprint hurdlers.  If somebody can provide a citation for this claim, I would be happy to allow it in the article.--Owheelj (talk) 00:24, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 14:46, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

– As notable as the hurdler is, there are several highly prominent Liu Xiang's throughout history, especially Liu Xiang (scholar). The hurdler is primary topic per usage but not per long term significance, and considering how many Liu Xiang's there are, I think the dab page is the better choice at baseline. Timmyshin (talk) 12:13, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Liu Xiang → Liu Xiang (hurdler)
 * Liu Xiang (disambiguation) → Liu Xiang
 * Support this move 2601:541:4305:C70:5F5:8F47:E7C9:9DCC (talk) 18:06, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 22:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Support In ictu oculi (talk) 12:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


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