Talk:Liu Yifei

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Citizenship
I've read many websites that show her to be an American citizen. Show me proof otherwise that she's a PRC citizen. Kiwi8 04:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Your edit summary being: "She is American-born Chinese!", which is of course wrong since Wuhan is in China. Nationality =/= citizenship. And just for your information, the PRC government does not strip PRC citizenship from citizens who are also citizens of other countries. So as long as she was born in the PRC she is a PRC citizen, though she may also be a US citizen. Highly unfortunate in this case, as I would be loath to admit that this person and I even have something in common. -- Миборовский U|T|
 * What do you mean you loath to admit that this person and you have anything in common, are you against her, or Chinese? User:Johnnyboyca

C|M| E |Chugoku Banzai! 06:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm sorry. I actually meant to say she's a China-born American. Kiwi8 06:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, cool. Welcome (fellow?) Singaporean! -- Миборовский U 05:31, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, what does your term "ARC" mean? "America what Chinese"? Kiwi8 12:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


 * ARC: America(n)-raised Chinese. -- Миборовский U 04:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Should be xi, her nickname xixi is what the way people call her when shotting the Return of the Condor Heroes. 222.130.187.122 11:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Except you, that lyf photo, look any no matter what and any be perfect, laugh any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ciskdlw (talk • contribs) 00:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Actually, if this individual has gained U.S. citizenship, per "Nationality Law of the People's Republic of China", she automatically loses both Chinese citizenship and nationality, making her officially not "Chinese-American" but rather only "American". China does not distinguish between "citizenship" and "nationality" and like in most countries, the two terms are interchangeable. You can see the official website of the Embassy of the People's Republic of China in the United States of America, specifically Article 9, for the reference. Here is a link to the website: http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/ywzn/lsyw/vpna/faq/t710012.htm. So in essence, I think it's fair to question the inclusion of "Chinese" in the lead, but I think it depends in what context that is being included. Clearly it is not her nationality or citizenship, so the next question becomes is her birthplace and/or ethnicity directly relevant to her notability such that it warrants inclusion in the lead? You can take a look at WP:Ethnicity for further clarification on Wikipedia's rules on inclusion of birthplace, ethnicity, and/or previous nationalities in the leads of biographies. I don't really have an opinion on that, but I thought it would be useful to explicitly and correctly frame the question. Apoorva Iyer (talk) 16:37, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


 * And actually, come to think of it, shouldn't we edit the infobox so it only says "American" under citizenship/nationality? Apoorva Iyer (talk) 16:53, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I have described her as being a Chinese-born American and I put a footnote explaining her nationality situation, as well as linking her Early Life section in the footnote covering her family, birthplace, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clear Looking Glass (talk • contribs) 03:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

"Chinese-born American" implies that she became famous as an American actress. This is not true; she started her career in China and became famous there, which is why I changed it to "Chinese-American". MOS:CONTEXTBIO supports this ("previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability"). She became notable as a Chinese actress. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 12:30, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

The "Chinese-born American" is strictly describing her birthplace and her citizenship/nationality. The note I put states a link showing that the Chinese government doesn't recognize dual nationality/citizenship, therefore she's just American for citizenship/nationality reasons. I even linked her "Early Life" section to the note. And for example, there are many foreign actresses/actors/etc who've worked in Hollywood/American productions and don't have American citizenship and they aren't described as being "American" in their lead paragraph. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 22:26, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * The lead is not strictly about her nationality and says "Chinese-born American actress". The quote I provided from MOS:CONTEXTBIO above says "previous nationalities", i.e. a nationality the person no longer has, so China not recognizing dual nationality is irrelevant here. Her notable early works were Chinese and she became famous as a Chinese actress. Your example doesn't work. A foreign actor working in America isn't American, no, but if a foreign actor first began their career in America and first became notable there, then their article would refer to them as an American actor because that is the policy at MOS:CONTEXTBIO. Do you have a guideline that refutes that policy? Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 23:08, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I still think its better to just leave it at "Chinese-born American". At the end of the day, even if she worked more in China, she has American citizenship and by her own admission doesn't even consider herself to be "Chinese" on top of not having Chinese citizenship, regardless of whether or not this was purposely said to cause controversy. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 21:09, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * She refers to herself as "Asian" in that source; she didn't say that she doesn't consider herself to be Chinese. As you haven't provided a policy or guideline and your reasoning is only WP:ILIKEIT and original research, I will edit her article to state Chinese-American. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 21:44, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Why don't we just describe her in the lede as being a Chinese-born American and then follow that sentence by saying that she's active in China? As in "Liu Yifei, also known as Crystal Liu is a Chinese-born American actress, singer and model. Active in China ..."? The context page you provided doesn't mention anything against that and this isn't my opinion or original research because she is Chinese-born, American by citizenship and more active in China career wise, as you mentioned. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 05:01, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * A compromise is an agreement – changing it before I even respond is not a compromise. I still think that "Chinese-born American actress" implies she became notable as an American actress. I will request other opinions since we can't agree. And by original research, I meant you claiming that she said she doesn't consider herself to be Chinese when the source did not say that. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 14:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: The alert I got said "compromise", but now I see you edited to reword it. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 14:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

RfC
Should Liu Yifei be referred to as "Chinese-born American" or "Chinese-American" in the lead? Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 15:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Chinese-American. Per conversation above, she became famous in China and I think "Chinese-born American" suggests she gained notability as an American actress. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 15:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Chinese-American per above. Corachow (talk) 13:19, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Chinese-American or Chinese American. Fits the term Chinese American, and while “Chinese-born” is technically correct it seems not as used by RS, see, WSJ LA Times, SCMP, CBC, NYTimes, New Yorker, QZ, Fortune, NPR.   The “Chinese-born” also feels awkward and a bit off as her life is more Chinese than American, regardless of official citizenship.  Cheers Markbassett (talk) 20:42, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Chinese-American per Abby & Mark. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:10, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Name
I've seen on some sites that her name is Liu Ximeizi, and on others Liu Qianmeizi. Dispute? Lulu288 19:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Qian is the correct pronounciation. Thus the other sites which use Xi, are wrong. No dispute. Kiwi8 19:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * But the word technically has two pronunciations, qian and xi, so what source confirms Liu Yifei uses qian? Lulu288 13:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * In videos I've seen, the news reporters have called Liu Yifei "xixi", not "qianqian." Therefore, her name would actually be Liu Ximeizi. Lulu288 22:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Very interesting dispute. When I try to translate the Mandarin Chinese WP article with Google Translate, I too get "Liu Qian Mei Zi" with the qian. But it should be noted G.T. cannot "know" about which transliteration to use if a Chinese syllable or word has two pronunciations, as LuLu correctly noted. GT can't do but mere wild guesswork here. -andy 92.229.88.233 (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Do we have to change the pernunciation on the vietnamese wiki too? 129.67.49.193 00:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
Please cite the following before adding them back: -- Ladida 06:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Liu Yi Fei's education is very questionable. She graduated at the Beijing Film Academy abruptly without any hint of exams. Also,many had questioned her acceptance to Stanford University due to her poor english skills. However, it has been confirmed that she is only a "guest" student since she did not go through the admission process.  Many had said that she is taking philosophy, while some had said music.  The latest news had said that she is doing medicine.
 * There was another big hype about her being asked by Ang Lee to star in his latest flick Lust and Caution. However, rumors said she had turned it down due to nudity scenes.  Yet, some sources had said that Ang Lee had never asked her at all; it was a publicity stunt for her.
 * It's very good, that this libelous crap was taken out. Whoever did that: a big thanks goes to you!

1) This is biographies of living persons issue, which can easily be considered libel in no time! 2) It should also be noted that her father is an university professor, so it's not too surprising that he has better relations and connections than the average person to get his daughter into Stanford. -andy 92.229.88.233 (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The part about her entrance to Stanford, while brief or not, was never sourced. I believe this was vandalism or just a rumor. Also, having a parent (or both) working for universities does not guarantee automatic admission. The student can still not be good enough. I've experienced this with several classmates at a community college who tried private Southern Californian colleges, although not any top ones. 75.5.13.199 (talk) 10:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Mayonaka no Door

 * Even if this song's title is Japanese, did she sing this song first in Japanese or Chinese? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.75.3.84 (talk) 17:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
茜 is pronounced "qian4" not xi1... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.151.236.38 (talk) 22:14, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * 茜 is usually pronounced "xi" not qian, and Liu Yifei's nick name is Xixi whic is called by her family and fans... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.167.10.47 (talk • contribs)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:24, 3 April 2017‎

Native Name (Legal Name)
Name 刘茜美子 (Liu Ximeizi) almost disappear for years. Probably 刘亦菲 (Liu Yifei) is not only her stage name but also her legal name. Any reliable resource?Thyang1990 (talk) 19:05, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I found three references which should be able to prove that Liu Yifei is now her Legal Name. First one is an approval from Ministry of Culture of the People's Republic of China. Second one is a donation receipt from China Children and Teenagers' Fund. Last one is a student list on Beijing Film Academy. All three use the name Liu Yifei, not Liu Ximeizi.Thyang1990 (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Her legal name as an American citizen is Yifei Liu as that is the naming order standard for names in the US. Also that is how she is credited in American films. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

"Political Views" section unnecessary and unneeded
This section really feels like it was added in haste due to a recent social media post by Yifei that was done impulsively. Now, I definitely don't agree with her opinion on this issue, but I feel that it is irrelevant, and should, therefore, be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazard Gamer (talk • contribs) 00:39, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It obviously isn't irrelevant, as it has been widely reported as significant in many reliable sources. For example, here mulan star sparks call for boycott with hong kong stance. The paragraph as it stands however looks slanted to present the actress's (craven, disgusting) pro Chinese regime comments in the most positive light possible and needs balancing.  At the moment it looks to have been drafted in Beijing. 78.147.45.147 (talk) 00:08, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2019
There is likely vandalism with a profanity and in the last sentence of the 'Early life' section. Edmond Wong (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Already removed. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 20:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Adding section Controversies
As the actress in involved in the harsh police force on Hong Kong protests approval, the movement https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoycottMulan?src=hashtag_click were starting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.12.244.43 (talk) 13:07, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but we should consider WP:CSECTION. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 00:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Date Layout(s)
This is a Chinese subject. Even if having the rights of a United States dual national, DMY is more appropriate, which had not been used for ANY Korean in both music and film industries, e.g. one of BlackPink’s members prior to indefinite semi. 67.81.161.226 (talk) 01:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC) As for date formats it doesn't appear there is a standard of how to format dates for Chinese subjects so don't see a compelling reason to change from what is established. MOS:TIES applies only to ties to English-speaking nations, so China isn't covered by that. MOS:RETAIN does apply so would need consensus to change date format for this subject. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is an American subject per what is in article. American date formats are appropriate. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Though she has American citizenship (and may not have Chinese citizenship as a dual national), it appears like Liu Yifei currently lives and works in China. Most reports refer to her as a Chinese actress, not as an American one. Natg 19 (talk) 01:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that, WP:CONTEXTBIO, and indications she is a permanent resident of China and lives and does all her notable work there, it would be appropriate to describe her as a Chinese actress in the lead. Looking at her credits, I see nothing that shows anything done outside China. American citizenship does appear to be incidental and not important to her or people who document her activities. Only issue is most people expect nationality in intro sentence and "or permanent resident" part is less acknowledged. Should be well-documented in talk page if that change is made to the article.

Citizenship in lead (again!)
I've seen the 2020 RFC that resulted in describing Liu Yifei as "Chinese-American". However, I disagree with this because it's like putting ethnicity MOS:CONTEXTBIO. Here are other examples that follow the guideline:
 * Arnold Schwarzenegger: Austrian and American (listed as an example in the guideline)
 * Angela Lansbury: British and American (originally Irish-British and American, then changed to British-American-Irish. I was the one who adopted the current nationality. Lansbury held Irish citizenship for later in her life, but omitted it after talk page discussion.)
 * Olivia de Havilland: British and American (Yup. I was the one who changed that from British-American.)
 * Olivia Newton-John: British and Australian (achieved after talk page consensus months after her death)
 * Dua Lipa: English and Albanian (per talk page consensus in November 2022 after Lipa was granted Albanian citizenship)
 * Matthew Perry: American and Canadian (I changed that after his death)

That is why I changed the lead section of Liu Yifei's article to "Chinese and American". It prevents the induction of ethnicity or birth, per the aforementioned guideline. Do you agree or disagree?  Scarlet Violet  (talk • contribs) 02:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)