Talk:Live from Memphis

Talk:LiveFromMemphis This is a great resource for anyone interested in learning more about the city of Memphis, specifically its arts and culture. I have just posted this information and it is already marked for speedy deletion? There are many other similar organizations listed, including the Center for Southern folklore, Detour Memphis, and various other music, film, or art reprsenting organizations. If I need to do something else, please advise... it will be appreciated!v --Cat and Fish 17:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a provider of free web space or a vehicle for advertising. Articles need to maintain a neutral point of view, and this looks like a promo brochure.  Also, as an encyclopedia, all information herein should be referenced from reliable sources that are independent of the group.  This is to ensure that the information is verifiable, and to show that the organization is notable enough to merit an article in the first place. -- Finngall   talk  18:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I have edited the page to reflect your input. I have also looked at several other pages that are similar in scope to the Live From Memphis page and used them as guideline. The pages I looked at are:

Memphis Rap on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MemphisRap.com

The Center For Southern Folklore on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Southern_Folklore

Detour Memphis on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detour_Memphis

Once you have looked over the changes to the Live From Memphis page, if you still believe that it is not a varifiable resource complete with references from reliable, independent sources, please let me know what else needs to be done. Thanks --Cat and Fish 18:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Adding links to one's own web site won't help--what we want are references from place that are not connected with the group. The article is better, but I'll leave the decision up to an administrator.


 * Also, comparing one article to another around here can be an exercise in madness. Since anyone can create or edit any article, and since not all articles get the attention they deserve, the existence and/or quality of article X does not necessarily carry any "seal of approval", and therefore using it to justify the existence of article Y doesn't necessarily carry any weight.  That said, it doesn't appear that you're using bad examples for comparison purposes. -- Finngall   talk  18:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Finngall- Thanks for your input. I have supplied several references to articles/information that are not connected with Live From Memphis, and hopefully they will help prove our ligitimacy to wiki. The linking to the organizations own website is only intended to serve as additional references for wiki users. I do plan on setting up individual wiki pages for the individual projects that Live From Memphis produces, and at that time will be able to link internally (on wiki) for further information regarding those things.

With that said, it states in the Wikipedia about section that, "In every article, links will guide the user to associated articles, often with additional information." It seems that in not allowing individuals/pages to link externally you are merely limiting the amount of information offered to your users. I believe that wikipedia is an EXCELLENT recource for information, which is why I am attempting to set up this page, however, it should not confuse itself with being the ONLY source for information.

Thanks again!! --Cat and Fish 19:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Deletion: Another editor has cleaned it up to the point where the concerns about advertising/spam have been fully addressed. I'd still like an admin to make a call on whether it meets the notability guidelines, and I have changed the speedy tag accordingly.


 * References: It's fine to have links to the org.'s own site--it's just that they shouldn't be the only source of information.


 * Wikipedia in general: Wikipedia is an excellent place to start to find information on a subject, but it should never, ever be one's only source of info due to its very open nature.  But having references available means that you can always check information out for yourself. -- Finngall   talk  22:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm hesitant to delete/keep this article without another admin looking at it first. Going by the letter of WP:CSD it would appear to be a candidate for deletion as there is no assertion of notability. However, it may just scrape past the relevant notability criteria for non-commercial organizations at WP:ORG due to the Memphis Flyer article. Personally I'd like to see either wider national media coverage or another article of similar depth in another local newspaper (the Commercial Appeal article is a single paragraph, and barely worth citing). Maybe this should go to WP:AfD. —Jeremy (talk) 23:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

What exactally does "assertaion of notability" mean? Live From Memphis possesses several hard copies of additional media coverage from sources such as The Commercial Appeal and The Memphis Business Journal; however, I can not locate those articles online... I have the actual hard copies, but no linkable versions.... (except sometimes I find them in very odd places, for example: http://www.vogate.com/news.php?nid=37)please advise. --Cat and Fish 20:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, we have articles about the company archived on our site (for example: http://www.livefrommemphis.com/news/oldNews?newsStoriesID=283), but would that just be linking to our own site again?? --Cat and Fish 20:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I have added 3 additional press pieces.... hopefully they will encourage you to see the validity of the organization Live From Memphis and better understand "the importance or significance of the subject." Any additional advise would be appreciated. Thanks, --Cat and Fish 20:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)