Talk:Liverpool–Parramatta T-way

Stations Table
Can we please put this table back? It is consistent with the railway line pages in Sydney that I have been creating - and I hope to do it for the other methods of transport too. It's not timetable information or station facility information, which are reached from the TWay website- it merely shows the different stopping patterns available, where the stations are, and any connections available.

I can do one for the NorthWest T-Way too, except we don't know the stopping information as yet.

JROBBO 23:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is not directory information, so please stop quoting Wikipedia is not a directory. It's an informative table that outlines the extent of the T80's operations - a valid and worthwhile point for an article like this, much like a table with a train line's operations. It is not timetable information by any means - there is no way anyone could decipher that to be able to catch a bus. If I was putting in bus stop addresses, the exact times the buses arrived, etc., then that could be deleted, but this should not be taken so far as to delete anything resembling a stopping patterns. All the table is trying to show is that there are two routes, and where abouts the different stations are. Simple encyclopaedic information. JROBBO 12:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The railway station tables are directory information as well, don't get me wrong. But I lack the energy to tackle that problem just now. As it stands, this is a series of bus stops. Wikipedia is not a directory. There are plenty of good reasons to exclude the above - accessibility / consistent design is one of them. Joestella 14:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

There is now no information from the table that is not included in the text list, except fare sections (Wikipedia is not a directory) and the somewhat arbitrary "suburbs served" info. The suburb list has been aggregated at the top. Joestella 15:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Can you please tell me what part of "Wikipedia is not a directory" this violates? I've looked through it hard and there's nothing in there that would exclude that table. Reference tables are fine, it says. The suburbs served is not arbitrary - it shows the area that the particular station serves. The fare zone is fine too. And design consistency is not an issue - it does not have to be consistent with *your* tables - we're entitled to have ones that look a bit different - anyway, this is consistent with the railway station tables. JROBBO 23:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Old Freeway Alignment?
I like to know exactly what part of the T-way is this old freeway alignment and if anyone could provide me with some info regarding it, particularly where this freeway alignment was supposed to go, I would be very thankful :) 121.216.245.25 (talk) 14:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Official name
I seem to remember this being the subject of some debate earlier. JROBBO's "official" name sounds more official... where is it from? The current page name is from the t-way website. Whichever one prevails, we should move the page there. Joestella 15:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It was from the project plan and Environmental Impact statement. JROBBO 23:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Response to WP:3O
As a person with no view one way or another on WP:NOT, I think the table in question falls under WP:NOT. Therefore, I don't think that this table should be in the article itself. Perhaps linking to a page in the external links section that has a similar table would be better. Cheers, PullToOpenTalk 03:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That was quick. :S JROBBO, why not simply add the exact (not surrounding) suburb name to the stops in the list..? Joestella 03:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Can you please tell me how it violates WP:NOT? I don't find that a good enough answer: I expected better from a dispute resolution mechanism. JROBBO 03:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "For example, an article on a radio station generally should not list upcoming events, current promotions, phone numbers, schedules etc., although mention of major events or promotions may be acceptable."

- WP:NOT Replace "radio station" with "train system". PullToOpenTalk 03:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * One could equally quote Wikipedia is not a directory, and Wikipedia is not a travel guide. Joestella 03:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Where is the supposed "schedule"? I don't have the timetable and everything listed, which would definitely violate the information; it's a list of the routes that the network runs - just like a railway line. What's the difference between this table, and this section, for example? JROBBO 03:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The request was posted at Third opinion, not third answer. I am simply stating my opinion. As I said before, linking to a similar table would be much better than including the table itself. By the way, you two are both VERY close to violating WP:3RR. If you two can't come to some sort of consensus, consider posting this to WP:RFM. PullToOpenTalk 03:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

JROBBO, it seems most railway related pages violate WP:NOT#DIR. Fixing the problem has to start somewhere. In any case, this is a bus service, not a train service.

PullToOpen raises a good point about 3RR. I have suggested a compromise above. Consider it..? Joestella 03:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Alternative to Stations Table
I have seen the discussion above. I have also seen the current list of stops (which is not the best form of presentation in my view). Would this be better?

 Liverpool-Parramatta T-Way Service

Garrie 21:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I like it, apart from the coloured text for the train lines, which should be converted to a coloured box and the text with a blue link as I have done elsewhere. You'll have to ask Joe, though, as he's the one who's against it. JROBBO 01:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Services
It is unfair to comare the T-way buses to Brisbane "as frequently as every 40 seconds" ( how much of the day is that level of service available for, and is it because the buses are all full?) What are the comparative objectives of the organisations providing each service? - to operate a number of buses? to provide a certain number of passenger kilometers? to achieve revenue targets? To achieve certain occupancy rates on services? These are all different goals and it is difficult to compare organisations with different measures of "success".

Are these services being mentioned by any key commuter groups - say the UWS student union newspaper or similar? Garrie 21:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

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