Talk:Livery company/Archives/2012

Demise of companies
It would be interesting someone could add information on the demise of the livery companies no longer in existence, such as the one's mentioned in the article.

Questions
Parasite 08:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 *  a grant of Livery What does this mean, and what is the import of being a Livery Company or a company without livery?
 * I was also wondering who grants Livery and whether or not it is always supposed to be capitalized. -- Beland 04:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * For that matter, what is a City Company, and who grants that status? -- Beland 04:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * From Livery, it appears that dress and monopoly used to be hallmarks of a Livery Company. Are they still?  What operations do Livery Companies actually conduct today? -- Beland 04:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, "Livery" status is granted by the Court of Aldermen of the Corporation of London; and nowadays, "Livery" and "without Livery" simply denote different statuses within the Corporation. As the article says, Livery Companies began as guilds to regulate the relevant trades in the City of London (merchants, skinners, whatever).  They waned in importance for a while, but have revived in recent times, mainly as social or charitable bodies.  See http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/leisure_heritage/livery/ for more details. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Security Professionals
I deleted the unsourced claim that security professionals were granted livery status. If anyone sees news to the contrary, then have at it. Psu256 (talk) 21:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC) They were granted Livery as 108th Company in February 2008 79.75.31.166 (talk) 13:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Tony S

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Number of Livery Halls
The claim that there are only 36 Livery Halls still in existence is not backed up by any references. I wonder where it came from. The map I have at http://liverycompany.org.uk/ plots the position of 40 halls that are still in use (two of them aren't shown at the initial zoom level, but you'll see them if you zoom out). I'll edit the article appropriately. Davorg (talk) 08:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Without listing them separately the mistake is easy to make and also that some guilds not yet Companies have 'halls' and some halls are shared. Glaziers Hall is also Launderers Hall. Gunmakers Hall is on Commercial Road and Furniture Makers is off Threaneedle Street, Austin Friars Court, (neither identified on the map) and Master Mariners Hall is in fact the ship HQS Wellington. There is also the Guild of Arts Scholars, Dealers & Collectors which has been added by me to the 'Guild' list .79.72.81.131 (talk) 15:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC) Tony S

about my revert
I reverted the addition of a reference by user:ceri sullivan since it was broken and citing an article by the contributor and I don't know if the publication cited is considered a reliable source just yet. (My internet connection is being flakey at the moment.) It looks like a journal published by UNC @ Chapel Hill - no idea if it is a peer reviewed type journal or not. So, I'm sorry if I stepped on toes, but I want to be sure the info is good info before it gets in the article. Psu256 (talk) 16:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Category:Livery companies vs. Category:Great Twelve City Livery Companies
Category:Great Twelve City Livery Companies is itself a category within Category:Livery companies. — Robert Greer (talk) 00:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Worshipful
I know of absolutely nothing to support "the term 'worshipful' meaning that their members worship together". It seems so inherently unlikely, given the widespread natural English uses of the word for secular purposes, that I have simply deleted this. Someone might be able to cite some "authority", but this seems very like pseudo-scholarship, which is pernicious! Jezza (talk) 16:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Only just noticed this I am a Liveryman of 25 years and involved in the Corporation of London's general ceremonail also - it does mean they worship together. There is no question at all that anybody was to worship the company. Before they were exclusively trade bodies the companies were in fact religious lay confraternities looking after their members charitable interests and acted as burial clubs and caring for widows and orphans. All mediaeval institutions had this joint aspect to their activities. The most ancient companies trace their origins to a specific City church were they held their activities and their services; the Mercers Hall has a Chapel within the precincts. After the Reformation their 'popish' practices were banned but the central matter of their members joint religious observance and attendance continued. All companies today still have at least two services (Christmas and a Thanksgiving celebration) some have additionally specially endowed Sermon Services or particpate in a commemorative Service of a benefactor. When a Mayor of a Borough is described as 'Worship-ful' it indicates they lead the worship of the city fathers at corporation divine Services. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.6.127 (talk) 15:00, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

The London wiki
... at [www.london.wikia.com] does not yet have an article on the Livery Companies - could someone copy the text over please: there's only me there at the moment. I can add the square brackets and do something on the Companies. Jackiespeel (talk) 22:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)