Talk:Livestock branding/Archive 1

Permanence
I would like to see information on why a brand is permanent / the mechanisms of it's permanent-ness. Thepcnerd 05:40, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


 * It's a burn - I suggest articles on burning and scarring would be the place to look. PeteVerdon 18:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Running iron
and cookies

Isn't there also a running iron that was a branding iron that you wrote with? (you ran it along the pattern you wanted to mark I assume is the etymology). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RJFJR (talk • contribs) 17:23, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I doubt so, how would you control the animal while you drew, the brand was quick (one jab) Thepcnerd 02:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There are running irons. They are used to draw the brand on the animal freehand or (more often) to make corrections to flawed brands on the animal. &mdash;L 1AM (talk) 02:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * follow-up: I think that running irons might be illegal in some states as cattle rustlers (see Cattle raiding) would use them to alter the brands of stolen animals in case they were caught with the animals. This would be interesting if someone could expand on this. &mdash;L 1AM (talk) 06:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems a bit silly to ban them. You could just as well "touch up" a brand with any other hot piece of metal, so it doesn't prevent much.PeteVerdon 18:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No, no, no. A running brand is Adidas or Nike. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.75.232.221 (talk) 00:56, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Stud cattle of some breeds in australasia are required to have the insides of ears tatooed as a means of ID. Cgoodwin (talk) 11:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm. We sort of need an article called "Animal Identification," don't we?  Until then, maybe toss in "ear" with the  bit on lip tattoos.   Montanabw (talk) 21:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

An Animal Identification article sounds like a good idea. Dewlapping was also used until recently, too. Cgoodwin (talk) 23:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

How about a picture of an actual brand
would be nice for the artical --70.152.16.212 03:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Horse markings has a photo of a freeze brand and a hot brand, if anyone wants to use those.  Montanabw (talk) 21:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Added above images.  Montanabw (talk) 06:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Hoof Branding
I have seen horse hooves branded overseas in London I think. I am aware that they would grow out so I guess they would also be for individual ID. Think that they were on cavalry horses. Unfortuntely no photo.Cgoodwin (talk) 03:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

There is actually quite a lot on this at these sites, although I have never seen it in AUS: http://www.equibrand.co.uk/hoofbrands.html http://www.netposse.com/prevrec/hoof_brand_example.htm http://www.equine-world.co.uk/horses_care/horse_identification.htm http://www.equinepodiatry.net/Text_Files/The_Effects_of_Hoof_Branding.pdf http://www.maccvets.co.uk/fact_sheets/fact_sheets_equine_identification.htm Cgoodwin (talk) 03:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Freeze Mark - Freeze Brand
A freeze brand is exactly like a hot brand except for the way it is applied, the pain level to the animal and that in a freeze brand the hair may grow back white or leave a scar behind. Both of these types of branding identify the owner of the livestock.

A freeze mark is applied like a freeze brand but uses the International Alpha Angle System to create a symbol that identifies an individual animal (not the owner).

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/wild_horse_and_burro/Wild_Horse_and_Burro_Freezemarks.html

So does this look like information that would fit this artical? --Var (talk) 20:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Most of this, in general terms, is already in the article in the section on freeze branding, though a sentence on the International Alpha Angle System would be a good addition, particularly if someone has a free image (or can make one) of the master diagram (I have a couple horses marked with this system, though I think the one illustrating a freeze brand is also marked that way). Read the article and you can either propose a sentence or two here that one of the editors here can insert, or you can try to pop it in yourself (though risking wiki's infamous "merciless editing!" (LOL!)  Montanabw (talk) 23:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Crazy and lazy

 * Does "crazy" mean "rotated 180 degrees" or "mirror-imaged left to right"? How are those two forms distinguished, with a letter such as G where the difference shows? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In "lazy", how are "rotated 90deg clockwise" and "rotated 90deg anticlockwise" distinguished, with a letter such as G where the difference shows? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "Crazy" has regional variations, and "Lazy" can be either way, just tipped so it is "sleeping." Branding nomenclature has many regional distinctions, even between states (the same brand might be described differently in Texas than in Kansas!).   Montanabw (talk) 15:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Year and registry brands etc
Cattle often have a number relating to the year of birth applied. Registered & stud book horses also have owner and number brands applied to comply with rules. Cgoodwin (talk) 05:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Photos are always good if you have them. Need to address as regional variations.  Here in the states, we more often have a ranch brand only on cattle, with ear tags added with an ear tag number corresponding to birth date or other registration info.  Over here, horses are rarely branded at all, except by the really big ranch outfits and a very few registries (where it is usually optional at best), and when it is done, it is usually either a ranch brand or a registration number freeze brand under the mane, seldom both.  The main exception to marker ID are the lip tattoos on Thoroughbreds who are going to be raced.  On the other hand, we may want to ask User:Countercanter about the branding conventions of European studs; many of them seem to use some sort of brand on the withers that seems to include both a breed brand and other symbols indicative of farm, year of birth, etc.   Montanabw (talk) 20:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have added a little more on horse branding. It appears ANZ are the main users of horse branding. S Africa and England no longer brand Tbs, but microchip instead. There is interesting info at: http://www.horsedirectory.com.au/horseresources/brandmarks/ Horse Branding / Brand Marks Identification and http://www.netposse.com/misc/horse_brand_research.htm Horse Brand Information Hope that some of this useful. I have a good photo of a freshly branded calf, but the singed hair may be off putting to some and also the gas heating unit?? Cgoodwin (talk) 02:25, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Put in a bit on the USA. We don't do much, mostly tattoos of race horses, that may be changing, but at the moment, it's an individual deal for the most part.  Montanabw (talk) 03:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Warmblood horses in the US are branded if the registry does branding (most do). These brands are on the left hip, usually, and usually identify only the registry though today many include the last 3 digits of the life number. Dutch Warmbloods are not branded in the Netherlands because it is now illegal there, but may be branded in the US.Countercanter (talk) 16:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free to pop in a little bit on that in the article, particularly any rules for European nations. A worldwide focus is probably a good thing when we can do it!   Montanabw (talk) 20:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Maverick
Would it be acceptable to add "Maverick: an unbranded range animal" to the Symbols and terminology in branding section? I'd like to be able to link to there from the disambiguation page Maverick. But since the term isn't mentioned here at all, I was wondering if there was a reason for its omission. Or is there a more appropriate article where the term already is, or could be, included?-- Shelf Skewed  Talk  15:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hm. As I think the term "maverick" is used in the USA but not other nations (i.e. Australia), I think the thing to do is create a short article on Maverick (animal) and wikilink it here with a brief sentence about terms used to describe unbranded animals.  If that's too complicated, I suppose a short sentence mentioning the term as one used in the Old West to describe unbranded animals, particularly cattle, would be fine.  Over time, the details are of sufficient length that I think the topic needs its own small article.  (Mavericks could be rounded up and branded by anyone in the old west, much culture of the open range a part of this, mavericks as such don't really exist to any great degree today, etc...)   Montanabw (talk) 02:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Follow up: Note I just created above article.  Use it as a wikilink as you see fit, and feel free to improve the (stub) article.    Montanabw (talk) 03:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I was trying to do a little research to get started, but the only thing I'd found so far is another slang term for an unbranded animal: cleanskin. I really appreciate your reply and the article. I'll try to contribute to it if I can, but I don't have any background or ready references to go on. In any case, thanks!-- Shelf Skewed  Talk  03:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)