Talk:Living Enrichment Center/Archive 1

Images
Can we ditch some of the images on this page? They are a bit excessive. Some of the captions are lengthy and should be cleaned up, too. – Mipadi July 3, 2005 15:03 (UTC)


 * Done! Aesculapius75 9 July 2005 16:23 (UTC)

Cult? Really?
Why is this in the Cult category? It seems to have appeared on 04:00, 7 October 2005 from 207.200.116.130. Any objection to removing that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdpinpdx (talk • contribs) 18:56, February 5, 2006


 * I just removed it. The qualification of "cult" is very fuzzy and controversial. I think that the term "New Religious Movement" suffices, which is already listed at the bottom. -- Andrew Parodi 03:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Good. I suppose a reasonable person could see parallels to cults in some of the LEC disfunction, but I think the conclusion is a bit extreme (to say the least).  There are lots of disfunctional churches.  We're human, after all. sdp 19:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not too sure that the conclusion is that extreme, actually. Mary Morrissey ruled the inner circle of Living Enrichment Center the way a cult leader rules his/her cult. I do believe that on that level LEC was indeed a cult. Mary Morrissey held almost total control of LEC. The thing about the "cult" label is that the term "cult" is very vague. I read somewhere that all mainstream religions would fall under the desciption of cult as well, and people just don't realize this because the major religions are old and established. I think this is why many people have abandoned the term "cult" for "new religion."   I have to be honest, though. Mary Morrissey was the main draw of Living Enrichment Center, and I did see people there who virtually worshipped her. On some levels it did indeed seem like a cult. But for the sake of this discussion, that's a moot point now because I have removed the "cult" category. -- Andrew Parodi 19:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Introduction
The introduction to this article was lifted straight out of this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.40.207 (talk • contribs) 21:17, April 2, 2006


 * Yes, I am the writer of that page, and I am the one who began this article about LEC. In other words, the "lifting" is completely with permission. Andrew Parodi 08:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Most important articles
I agree that this article needs to be rebuilt. In the spirit of helping to rebuild this article, I will offer what appear to me to be the most important articles about this topic:
 * State of Oregon's COMPLAINT against the Morrisseys
 * Ex-church leader falls far behind schedule in repaying $10.7 million
 * Accused church head faces congregation
 * Morrissey to meet with LEC 'refugees'
 * The Prophet Margin (This appears to be the most prolific and extensive article on the subject.)
 * Articles from The Oregonian and other Oregon papers
 * Uncertain future for migrant camp (I'm on the fence about this one. Though it is interesting to note that Mary Morrissey's church was begun on a farm that had a migrant camp, it's not exactly directly related to the article per se. It may seem a little too much like investigative journalism to include this link. I'll let others be the judge of this.)
 * The question is: Where did the money go?

Hopefully we can find a way to rebuild this article with these references, and turn this into a cohesive article rather than the mess that it was. Thanks. Valerie Taylor 03:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * When I first read the page it seemed to be written by someone that has not contributed to any other Wikipedia articles other than this one. Looking at the page history, I find that I'm right on the money in my initial assessment (see the edits of these four editors: #1, #2, #3, #4).  When a single purpose account writes a page about a church, that is nearly always a bad thing.  Cacophony 22:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Aerial Image
I highly doubt this aerial image was taken by User:Laughing Jesus, but I can't find it elsewhere. What to do? Cacophony 23:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What about this image of Mary Manin Morrissey's BMW at Living Enrichment Center? Walk the Streets 07:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)