Talk:Living systems

Living systems
Why are living systems not called dying systems? (serious question) Is there any evidence of living systems that are not dying?

Scattered info and confusion
It seems there's a lot of information scattered between Living systems and Living systems theory that should really be in the other article. This is particularly true within the actual sections with those headings. Instead of using summary style, these sections are (a) summarizing the exact same information as the corresponding section in the article (i.e., Living systems and Living systems theory are "summarizing" each other; read those 2 sections to see what I mean...) and (b) bringing in new information. None of this new info is directly related to the topic at hand; it is simply an expansion of the article content, and ought to be merged. I don't think that sounds very clear, so here's a tiny, very simple example:

"Living systems can be as simple as a single cell or as complex as a supranational organization such as the European Economic Community."

- Living systems theory

That one doesn't necessarily need to be merged, but there should absolutely be an example like that in this article.

It seems that most of the problems lay in the Living systems article, which absolutely needs expansion. Living systems theory provides some good examples that should be incorporated into the article.

Honestly, I think these articles should be merged completely into living systems theory. But I'm just putting up the "parts of this page" tag for now.

One other note: I can't tell for sure (because Living systems is quite undetailed), but I *think* that this whole idea is supposed to be expanding on the standard biological organisation/hierarchy of life (atom, molecule, cell, tissue, organ, organ system, organism, population, community, ecosystem, biosphere) that everyone learns in elementary school. Is that correct? If so, that little piece of information really needs to be incorporated, preferably right in the lead sentence. — Skittleys (talk) 13:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

This article is still very skant and contains no references. I've made a few improvements to what is there (including removing some suspected vandalism), but there is far more detail in Living systems theory. I agree with the suggested move, unless the content in this article can be usefully expanded upon (without duplicating the theory article). Shame that no expert has come along in almost a year. Emble64 (talk) 13:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

While there seems to be some time lag between original discussion and future action here, the basic idea of bringing them together is actually credible. I would suggest that the article, Living Systems Theory, be moved entirely into Living Systems under its own sub-heading. That would give us "The field - The current theory- The examples" all in one page.This is not a space saver, but a recognition that the field is still in its infancy. Miller's observations and speculations may form the basis of a Generalized Theory, but it is hard to give it too much prominence at this point.--TallHenry (talk) 04:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Living systems theory has been merged into this article (Living systems) - the talkpage from Living systems theory is archived in /Archive 1.  SilkTork  *Tea time 23:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Article section(s) removed
Due to possible violation of copyright, see WP:Copyvio, I have removed one or more section of this article for now.

I apologize for all inconvenience I have caused here, see also here. If you would like to assist in improving this article, please let me know. I can use all the help I can get. Thank you.

-- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 19:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I would be interested in rebuilding this article in partnership, from a biological & ecological perspective and without getting into man-made socio-political concepts.  --BatteryIncluded (talk) 02:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess this article must go into my "to do List". It is way too small and it mostly focuses on Miller's theory.  There are several -better known- natural theories. I see/propose  2  options: Either rename this article "Miller's living systems theory", or expand it with the best known living theories developed so far.  Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 22:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

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Living systems
I know I did not talk ad out much ok this is adout us humans and how we move and do everything we do so if you move that is your living system helping you do whatever you are doing Sam brown brown (talk) 05:20, 16 December 2020 (UTC)