Talk:Lizzie Lloyd King

Murderess?
I didn't know anyone even used that term any more. Even actresses are now called actors, though most roles call specifically for a male or a female. The term "murderess" gives us no more information about the person's activity than "murderer" does and may be less comprehensible to people for whom English is a second language.Peter Chastain (talk) 02:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm indifferent to changing this. I guess all the time I've spent reading the New York Times articles from the 1870s has affected some of the diction I've chosen in writing the article. The article probably needs to be updated to reflect the current usage for terms such as "insane asylum" etc. too. (However, I'm no fan of the general trend of neutering the language, and I don't think non-English speakers would find it difficult to comprehend - most languages have gender pronouns and nouns, moreso than English ever has.) Mind  matrix  03:01, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I have already changed it. Apologies for jumping the gun. (I have seen too many discussion pages where nobody responds for a week or five.) I added a link to murderer, which redirects to [[Murder], where I added a possibly unnecessary explanation that murderers are people who murder, along with a link to this usage note regarding -ess. I sometimes find gender-neutral terms jarring (e.g., a female actor), but here I think that the gender-specific term offends more people than does the commonplace usage of murderer for both men and women. As an aside, I am not at all sorry to see negress pass into oblivion. [[User:Peter Chastain|Peter Chastain]] (talk) 03:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Those changes are fine by me. Your final point is quite valid, and I wholly agree with you on that one (then again, the neutral form is also usually considered offensive). The Bartleby link has some interesting points too - thanks for that. Mind  matrix  03:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

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