Talk:Lloyd Irving

Should this page really be classified under fictional murderers? RickNomai 00:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

LLoyd tends to play the typical "good guy" as a protaganist. He never decides that genocide is an answer. With that being said every time he had to kill was either in self-defese or in the name of vengeance or justice(whichever you will). either way I can say that LLoyd is NOT a murderer.208.39.169.124 00:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I can also say that Llyod is not a murder. When he did kill, it was never out of a need to prove himself. He wanted to create a world where everyone was equal. Q E11even 03:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

... Really now?
Look at the bottom of the page. Vandalism much?

"The name Lloyd means "gay." He may have been so named as, for much of the first half of the game, he is shown to waver between saving Colette and regenerating the world; thus not either being boldly "black" or "white." He later regrets his decisions when speaking with Raine after their crash on the Fooji Mountains." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.129.117.2 (talk) 10:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC).


 * It seems like speculation to me. Should we remove it? (And for the record, it says Lloyd's name is "gray," not "gay.") Patrician Vetinari 14:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

That could have every easily been a typo. Hey shouldn't this article mention his recurring character trait: how he gets excited about things early on then gets bored of them later (typical of poor learners, he has an attention span problem and a craving for stimulation)? :)

Intelligence?
In the description, it states that Lloyd lacks intelligence but makes up for in his ability to think logically.

However, intelligence is defined as "a property of mind that encompasses many related abilities, such as the capacities to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend ideas and language, and learn.", which generally means the same as the ability to think logically.

Therefore, I say we replace "intelligence" with "knowledge". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.85.49 (talk • contribs)

Conjecture in the History Section
This section both states that Lloyd was "born to Anna and Kratos Aurion" and that Kratos killed his wife, but as far as I know, there is no canon information on whether Kratos and Anna were actually married. As we all know, it doesn't necessarily happen that way in the real world, and since there is nothing that verifies this information- correct me if there is- it is purely fan conjecture. Some of the fans, for instance, believe that Anna's last name was Irving, and that Lloyd carries her name, since we never know Dirk's last name for certain either. I suggest that this section be reworded to remove conjecture, but I'm leaving it open here for debate, since there is a possibility that I missed canon information about Lloyd, Anna, and Kratos by not playing any of the other games in which Lloyd or Kratos appears (i.e. "Tales of the World" series). (161.6.165.244 (talk) 10:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC))