Talk:Lloyd L. Gaines/GA1

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Reviewer: Fiamh (talk · contribs) 02:36, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Houston was ill with the tuberculosis that would end his life a decade later. He resigned from the NAACP to return to private practice; Thurgood Marshall took over for him. In the first five years after the war, the NAACP found more plaintiffs and challenged segregationist policies in public graduate schools with cases such as You can cite the cases for their existence, but this needs a secondary source.
 * Katz, Hélèna (2010). James, 107–13. Whites, LeeAnn (2004). Can we get narrower page ranges please? One or two pages is best.
 * How about using rp after the cite to indicate which page in the range? Daniel Case (talk) 03:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That's fine.
 * ✅ Daniel Case (talk) 17:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * No need for access date on print publications. Even if you accessed via Google Books or similar, the page ranges relate to the edition which is already provided by the ISBN.
 * I would disagree. Google has been known to change which pages of a book it allows a viewer access to, or sometimes even end preview mode on a book entirely. Providing an access date indicates to the reader that these pages were available for public viewing when the article was written. And as for the ISBN, sometimes it refers to the online version, not the print one. Daniel Case (talk) 03:19, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, it probably isn't required for GA criteria anyway.


 * ($4,000 in modern dollars) These are helpful, but please state the year, i.e. 2019. Helps the article not go out of date.
 * I have been told in the past that when you're not using a specific year as the target date (and Inflation can handle that omission quite easily) to just say "modern", since without a specific year as the target date for the adjustment it will automatically stay with the current year's value as the template is adjusted to keep up. Daniel Case (talk) 03:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * In that case, I would suggest using "current" instead. "Modern" history goes back to the 17th century.
 * ✅ Daniel Case (talk) 02:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The NAACP attorneys were encouraged Again, you're going to need a source for this. The court case isn't going to support this info.
 * ✅ Root and Branch does, telling us "the special counsel was optimistic about victory" in Gaines' case and discussing the limitations of Murray immediately afterwards (If you want me to put this quote in an endnote so the reader can see where we're getting this from, I will). Daniel Case (talk) 00:18, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


 * someone else.[6] ... might have been.[6] combine refs for readability.
 * ✅ Probably a mistake made during a copy edit. Daniel Case (talk) 03:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * After working as a clerk for the Works Progress Administration... what is your source for this paragraph?
 * ✅ Same as the source for the graf afterwards; someone else thoughtfully split up the graf and apparently forgot to put the source back in for the newly created graf. Daniel Case (talk) 03:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Houston and Redmond successfully petitioned and Gaines had begun his letter suggest combining each of these paragraphs with the next paragraph per WP:PARAGRAPH.
 * Well, they describe discrete events that are separated in time; I feel that since the second of the two grafs has a long blockquote it's easier on the reader for the first three sentences to be a separate graf. Daniel Case (talk) 03:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * In his last letter to his mother, dated March 3 what is the source for this?
 * The Riverfront Times article that's cited at the end of the graf. Daniel Case (talk) 03:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That's not at all clear right now. You should add another citation either after the colon or at the end of the blockquote.
 * ✅ Daniel Case (talk) 02:48, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Ebony section—have you tried to get a copy of the original article on WP:RX? It would be great to cite this to the original source.
 * I have been able to look at it, in a library (I think) but it doesn't say anything that isn't repeated in the Riverfront Times story, so I didn't find any reason to cite it as a source. Daniel Case (talk) 03:20, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * By that time Gaines had received honors (some were posthumous) This sentence just sounds really awkward.
 * Daniel Case (talk) 00:11, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Legacy and honors section needs more references.
 * ✅ I also took out one sentence that really didn't turn out to be true or at least supported by the sources I used. Daniel Case (talk) 18:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Where you're citing a court case for anything other than the case's existence, cite the particular page where the relevant information is found; for example, the citation to Missouri ex rel. Gaines v. Canada (a, b, and c).
 * ✅ Daniel Case (talk) 05:28, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Not related to GA criteria:
 * I have access to a PDF copy of the 2016 book via my university library. If you would like chapters of the book for further improvement in the article, please let me know. That might help with (over-)reliance on the Riverfront Times source.
 * Indeed. I just looked at it on Google Books. It had not been written, much less published, when I first wrote and researched this seven years ago. As the authors say in the introduction, a book devoted to Gaines and his case was long overdue. I shall avail myself of this, although I think I could find a copy in the two excellent university libraries I have access to. It would help the article a lot. Daniel Case (talk) 03:35, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Two media outlets looked into the case, a half-century apart needs to be cited inline if you plan to take this to DYK or FAC.
 * It's already been to DYK, actually, shortly after I wrote it (see the top of the page). Daniel Case (talk) 03:35, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ all the same. Daniel Case (talk) 03:22, 23 November 2019 (UTC)