Talk:Local government in the Republic of Ireland

Two levels vs three levels
I think that perhaps a little modification is needed here, as under pressure from the EU, a third level (albeit unelected as such - selected from elected lower levels), of nominal Regional Authorities, was added. SeoR (talk) 08:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've added Regional Assemblies in Ireland though they are still under the radar for most of us.Red Hurley (talk) 14:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Correction to map caption.
I changed a picture caption earlier which read, incorrectly, Counties and Cities of the Republic of Ireland. The map actually showed provinces and counties, not cities and counties. The filename in question is called Republic of Ireland counties and cities.svg which is also incorrect and I have attempted to contact the author of this image by e-mail to ask him to change the file name in Wikipedia Commons, as I cannot do so.

No cities are shown in the image so it should not say cities. Furthermore, the four provinces are shown by colour-coding the counties in each province in a similar colour to reveal their relationship within the province they inhabit: Red/pink for the Ulster counties; shades of green for Leinster; shades of blue for the counties of Connaught; and shades of tan for the counties of Munster.

Therefore, the diagram shows the provinces and the counties, but not the cities, hence I have corrected the image caption. My original correction was undone by User:snappy. I have just re-entered the correction and bid him or her to refrain from interfering again with the facts. -- 174.16.16.196 (talk) 04:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I have reverted the caption to its original and correct version. While the map does show different shades for the provinces of Ireland, local government in Ireland is not on a provincial level only on a county and city basis. The clue is in the file name. Also, the cities of Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford are clearly marked on the map, so therefore that is why the Counties and Cities caption is correct. Snappy (talk) 12:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Snappy here. The map would be much better if the city territories were shown in colours which contrasted more strongly with the surrounding colours, but they are definitely there on the map (although I need to expand it before I can properly distinguish them).
 * And as Snappy says, the provinces have no local govt function. In fact, I'm not aware of them having any formal purposes at all for govt use, except for the shadowy principle that Dail  constituencies should not usually cross provincial boundaries.  AFAIK, this has only over been an issue with County Longford, which has sometimes been twinned with County Roscommon. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Eurostat units
The material on the Eurostat local administrative units didn't really make sense mashed in with the material on how the Irish local government system actually works. I've separated it out into a separate section indicating how they line up with each other, so that the information on the topic of the article makes more sense. But it might really need a separate article of its own.109.78.105.154 (talk) 18:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The article makes it clear that NUTS I, NUTS II and NUTS III exactly corresponds with local govt in the RoI. It is only at the LAU 2 level that the correspondance breaks down (i.e. the second tier of local govt). The article makes this clear also. To break the link would be to break the continuity and unity at an EU -wide level. Many parental categories would be affected. Where further clarification is needed in the article, please do so, but don't destruct the logic please. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry but the previous version does not make very much sense. The discussion of European statistical units is a discussion of European statistical units, not an analysis of the 'current status of local government'. The article here does not deal with regional government in the republic, although perhaps it should, so I am not sure what your point is here regarding the NUTS I to III levels. Also the historical introduction needs the added context, the previous version was very confusing. Certainly it should be improved. So please do improve, but not wholesale return to a previous version which needed improvement to make more sense to the reader and separate distinct topics. Thank you. I can see you do a lot of good work here so please let us work together on this to improve the article and not argue and undo each others' work. Thank you. :) 109.77.215.76 (talk) 23:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm all for co-operating. But I really don't see the fundamental conflict between NUTS and LocGov. LocGov is a subset of NUTS. Where a better explanation can make this clear, it should be done, but not at the expense of filleting the essential relationship. I notice that you've revert it twice now. Once more would be a severe breach of wiki protocol. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Clarification
I know the detailed history of local government and recent reforms was meant well, and meant to inform, but it all seems a little convoluted. To simplify things, would it be perhaps possible that someone could slip into the opening somewhere that there are now only two tiers of lccal government? If I'm reading this correctly - and let me know if I'm not - with few exceptions the first-tier equivalents are city/city and county/county councils. Since a lot of these first-tier units merged some cities and counties and thus are now quite expansive in land area, the first tier is split into a second (subordinate/lower) tier called "districts" which are either defined as metropolitan (I'm guessing in the case of urbanized ones) or borough. That said, are their any single-tier authorities, or are all first-tiers split into second-tiers? I'm looking that the municipal district page, and it appears some first-tiers aren't split into municipal districts (Cork City, Dublin, Fingal County, Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown County, part of Kilkenny County, part of Limerick City-County, etc...). It gets confusing when it's just part of a county, which would seem to speak to maybe second-tiers not covering the entirety of Ireland while every part of Ireland is in a first-tier local government? Help. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:43, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyone have an answer for me? What are some of the competencies delegated to districts?  Are districts simple subdivisions of counties and cover the entirety of the country, or are only certain areas (around towns and cities) "incorporated" as districts? I guess what I'm trying to figure out is whether these are administrative districts or more along the lines of political subdivisions? --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:40, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that for Eurostat purposes that "districts" is a legal second tier. It's in a strange limbo land I think. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:03, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Map
The county map needs updating to accommodate the changes to local government in Ireland since 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DojoIrl (talk • contribs) 16:30, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Recent edits
Have you read WP:IMOS? Republic is to be pipe linked to Ireland, e.g. Ireland. See also the second template on the right Template:Politics of the Republic of Ireland, and see the intro for the article Elections in the Republic of Ireland. The text in the infobox now matches the article title. Snappy (talk) 17:09, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The template specifies the Republic, and you haven't done any piping in the infobox. Gob Lofa (talk) 18:08, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, the template pipes per IMOS. The infobox matches the article title. Is there a problem with this? Snappy (talk) 18:18, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The template doesn't pipe, it just says 'Republic'. The infobox doesn't match the article title, quite the opposite. Gob Lofa (talk) 18:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Snappy's interpretation is correct. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:14, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But the template doesn't pipe. Gob Lofa (talk) 19:48, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

2 City and County Councils
The infobox counts the number of councils by type. There were formerly two types: city and county. A third type has emerged in the box: "City and County Councils". Where did this third type come from? What is this strange hybrid? Does it have any legal standing? Or is it just a county council by another name? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's the merger of a former city council and a former county council, the merger of two seperate first-tier authorities. It doesn't function differently than the two others types, it's simply the history of previous local entities.  Waterford and Limerick had their city and county councils merged during the 2014 local government reform. --Criticalthinker (talk) 14:31, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Laurel Lodged, welcome back from Outer Space or whatever rock you've been hiding under. You seem to have missed the Local Government Reform Act 2014, as well as abolishing your beloved North and South Tipperary Councils, it created this "strange hydrid" by merging the city and county councils of Limerick and Waterford. Yes, they do have legal standing, read all about here . Snappy (talk) 19:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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