Talk:Location hypotheses of Atlantis/Archive 4

Mexico
Deleted the entire section as the links were to a self published book and an advert/blog for that book. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gene_Matlock for more info on the author. The book also has, at the time of writing, only received 3 reviews on Amazon in over a decade (one of which is worth reading for the critical panning it gives this work) DoubleDoubleDouble (talk) 03:08, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. Self-published and not a significant view, see WP:UNDUE. I see it's been replaced, I'll go and remove it. Dougweller (talk) 08:53, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Reported Underwater Pyramid Off Azores Islands
Recently, uncorroborated and unsubstantiated claims about an undersea pyramid being found off the coast the Azores island appeared recently in new stories. The Portuguese public television channel (RTP1) reported on September 23, 2013 that an underwater pyramid had been found by a sports fisherman looking for fish. He reported the pyramid to be 60 meters tall, 90 meters wide, and its summit at a depth of 40 meters. This alleged pyramid is discussed in Terceira: Subaquatic pyramidal shaped structure found – Azores in the September 19, 2013 Portuguese American Journal. More recently, the Instituto Hidrográfico reported on its web page, Avaliação da Marinha à “Pirâmide Subaquática” ao Largo da Ilha Terceira, that a review of existing bathymetric data by the Portuguese Navy indicates that the fisherman's data and interpretation are erroneous and that the pyramid is only a natural submarine mountain. Another video report is Marinha nega pirâmide no mar dos Açores (Vídeo). It is quite clear that recent news reports about a pyramid being found off of the Azores Islands are too unreliable to be acceptable as Wikipedia source material and evidence of the Azores being Atlantis. Paul H. (talk) 02:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Why it can’t have been in Finland
I think the idea of Atlantis being in Finland needs to be debunked, too. Regardless what Hollywood may fool you to believe the forces of nature don’t act selectively. Suppose the Gulf Stream had warmed a place in the Baltic Sea near present-day Finland enough to stay ice-free throughout the last Ice Age. If so, almost all of the Nordic and Baltic countries south of the same latitude would have remained ice-free as well. All of Fennoscandia south of 58º N, almost all of Denmark, much of northern Germany, all of northern Poland, all of the Baltic countries and adjacent parts of Russia and Belarus show signs of having been ice-covered during the past 100,000 years. Climatologically, you can’t have a small area able to sustain humans sounded on all sides by ice.

In reality, only three small areas in western Scandinavia remained ice-free throughout the Ice Age. One was the south-western corner of Jutland which the ice never reached. To the people living in the area when the ice was the largest it would have looked like a stretch of higher ground between the ice to the east and Doggerland to the West. Another consisted of the highest peaks of the Scandes Mountains which would have stuck up as nunataks. These would have had too little vegetation to sustain any humans, much less a vivid human population. The third was the westernmost coast of present-day Norway. It would have resembled the south-western coast of Greenland when the Vikings settled there. This means mostly tundra with a few groves of small trees in sheltered places. Cro-Magnons could have reached this inhabitable coast by boat from Doggerland. When the Scandinavian and British ice sheet merged these could have become isolated from the rest of humanity. Yet their isolation would probably have lead tom their extinction due to loosing the technology needed to survive the hash climate. (The ground stayed snow-covered six months a year.) They might even have died out due to inbreeding before that.

2015-01-03 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.158.174 (talk) 20:03, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, the article isn't for saying these are likely places for a mythical continent, but rather listing the various misguided hypotheses about the location of something that likely never actually existed in the first place (in my opinion as an archaeologist which is irrelevant to the article and its improvement). That's its only real purpose. As well, Wikipedia doesn't allow for inclusions of conclusions reached by editors on Wikipedia as it violates the policy against original research. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 15 Tevet 5775 22:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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January National Geographic show (which claimed Judaism originated in Atlantis)
See this review. I'm removing the current poorly written and promotional edit which is simply pushing fringe ideas. If anyone wishes to replace it with one just listing the locations mentioned, maybe the idea that Judaism has an origin in Atlantis, have fun. Doug Weller talk 17:05, 5 February 2017 (UTC).
 * Wikipedia is now a publication-voice of antisemitism? Really? --88.11.159.198 (talk) 18:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No, actually, that isn't even close to what Doug was saying. He is indicating that the material is poorly written and obviously promotional of a recent program aired in January. There is also the question of the amount of space given the material. If the program itself meets notability standards as per WP:NOTABILITY, I might suggest that someone create an article on it first, including the bulk of the data, which could then be linked to here. John Carter (talk) 18:47, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This is obviously the same person as the earlier one with a different IP, identical edits and geolocation. Doug Weller  talk 19:03, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the previous IP editor here even broke WP:3RR. Unfortunately, I don't know if that is enough for any sort of sanctions, as the newer address has only done something twice to date. John Carter (talk) 19:09, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Treat them as the same editor. Maybe a warning? Doug Weller  talk 20:10, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ... or go for temporary semi-protection of the article against IP edits, perhaps?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:00, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If it gets worse. I won't do it as I'm too involved. Doug Weller  talk 21:06, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

This is all kicking off again. I'll revert. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:11, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

National Geographic documentaries
In 2011 Simcha Jacobovici, involved in the production of a documentary on Richard Freund's work for the National Geographic Channel, stated that the biblical Tarshish was Atlantis, and that "Atlantis was hiding in the Tanach".

In 29/1/2017 was release the broadcasting of a new documentary "Atlantis Rising" in National Geographic Channel concerning Atlantis in the Atlantic and colonies in Mediterranean. The documentary has been produced for James Cameron and filmed for Simcha Jacobovici in various places of the Mediterranean (Sardinia, Malta, Santorini), Spain (Cadiz, Huelva, Seville, Jaen, Ciudad Real, Badajoz, and underwater sites in the Gulf of Cadiz) and in the Azores Islands. Robert Ishoy, the writer Charles Pellegrino, the azorean proffesor, Felix Rodrigues, the Dr. Richard Freund and the spanish atlantologist Georgeos Díaz-Montexano has already been interviewed in connection with this production. The documentary show that are the Richard Freund and Diaz-Montexano's arguments and discoveries the principal hypotesis of work, ie, that Atlantis it was an island situated in front of Iberia and Morocco (or in Doñana natural park), with the easternmost part of the Atlantis begining on the Gulf of Cadiz, before Gibraltar, and which it was a Chalcolithic civilization which flourished until the end of the Bronze Age, while that Sardinian, Malta, Sicily and other Mediterranean sites vinculated to Atlantis by some authors, would be colonies.


 * Please, this is relevant for Wikpiedia readers --80.26.235.207 (talk) 23:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Sardinia
Someone has twice added a paragraph in Sardinia, including the implausible claim that "around 1200 BC ... the lager part of the island of Sardinia sank in the sea". The paragraph has no references. Such material does not belong in Wikipedia unless reliable published references can be found to support it. I have removed it again. Maproom (talk) 10:20, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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Mid Atlantic Ridge (2)
HISTORY FROM PLATO'S DIALOGUE "CRITIAS" that fixes the time of Atlantis' demise hypothesis

"Let me begin by observing first of all, that nine thousand was the sum of years which had elapsed since the war which was said to have taken place between those who dwelt outside the Pillars of Heracles and all who dwelt within them..."

"Plato's final years were spent at the Academy and with his writing. The circumstances surrounding his death are clouded, though it is fairly certain that he died in Athens around 348 B.C.E., when he was in his early 80s."

This year is 2017. 9000 + 348 + 2017 = 11,365 years before present

However, "Sometime around 385 B.C.E., Plato founded a school of learning, known as the Academy, which he presided over until his death."

Plato established the Academy and he taught there 37 years before his death in his early 80's, which could add as much as 37 years to the year of the demise of Atlantis. So the demise of Atlantis from this could have been as much as 11,402 years ago.

"The Holocene is the name given to the last 11,700 years* of the Earth's history — the time since the end of the last major glacial epoch, or 'ice age.'"

The range of error of correlation between these two dates from different sources is from 298 years to 335 years because of Plato's career range with the Academy. 11,700 - 11,365 = 335 difference, the largest error, the error is 335 / 11,700 X 100 equals roughly between 2 - 3 % or calculation yields 2.8632479% to 10 decimal places. If I were to apply statistical calculations we could rely upon mathematical correlation without question that Atlantis' demise was at the end of the most recent ice age or at the end of the Holocene Epoch according to Plato. RAYLEIGH22 (talk) 16:13, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Interesting, but irrelevant to location and irrelevant to Wikipedia because, as you've been told, it's original research and we don't allow it. Doug Weller  talk 12:52, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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