Talk:Locations of Half-Life

Merge
This bold merge has been undertaken to bring the locations of Half-Life into line with Wikipedia policy. The previous articles suffered problems with notability, original research, lack of referencing, little other than plot summaries and and a heck of a lot that doesn't make sense if you haven't played the game. This has led to several being deleted. Consequently, the have been merged here for collective notability, as none of the locations have enough significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources to warrant full spin-out articles. Note that just as was the case with Vortigaunt when I rewrote that, the previous forms of the articles exist in very similar (and in some cases identical) transwikied forms over on Combine OverWiki, where that sort of content is welcomed. I've linked to the appropriate category on that Wiki in the external links. Referencing isn't all done, and I think we could get away with one more image under WP:NFCC for showing the rural stuff in Episode Two, but Masem reckons that the article's notability is solidified enough for the merge to take place. -- Sabre (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I just want to voice my support for this merge, and commend Sabre for spearheading the effort. There's some decent critical coverage for several of the locations from reliable secondary sources. I'd go so far as to say this is a decent little article. Maybe even B quality. Randomran (talk) 21:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Signing support for the article and bold merge. I suggested this back on a previous AFD for something, and Sabre took it to the natural extent; the recent thread on WT:VG suggests going forward with it.  I'm not worried at all that a few more development and reception sources can be found, eg as rated C-class, it can be developed but no significant issues on notability as such. --M ASEM  23:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Assessment as of 2008-09-29
Rated C-class, Low. It's on its way to B though: citations are a must. Is there some encompassing development that can be covered for the article subject matter or some of the locations moreso?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a book which is basically 10 key staff-member interviews for 10 games, one of which is half-life, I'll have a look and post back anything within a couple of days. Also have some mags with HL articles. Someoneanother 23:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll go check LexisNexis for any magazine/newspaper/TV stuff that might help (this is one of the hardest elements to get sources for...) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 14:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't forgotten this but don't have the time or access to the materials at the minute, still intending to do so when that changes. Someoneanother 17:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Nothing is Native to Xen
I've looked and I've found multiple sources (http://members.shaw.ca/halflifestory/timeline.htm for one) that refrence an e-mail Marc Laidlaw sent saying that nothing is native to Xen. I remember seeing this e-mail, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. A few minutes on google would point you to a number of other sources if the one I provided above isn't good enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.22.229 (talk) 17:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, but the best solution is not to remove the stuff, but rather reword it. Otherwise, there's nothing on the fact the player encounters these characters there. Therefore, I've reworded it to remove all notion that they are native to Xen, but it still shows that they are nevertheless on Xen during Half-Life. -- Sabre (talk) 17:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Father Grigori
"The town's sole survivor, Father Grigori, appears to be detached from reality somewhat, referring to the zombies as his "congregation" and killing them out of mercy. Working from the church, Grigori has rigged numerous traps and overhead walkways to keep himself safe from the infested populace."

This is under the Ravenholm section. While Grigori seemed to be have lost his mind a little, it is never assumed that he is detached from reality. The townsfolk really were his congregation, and he was putting them out of their misery... I'm assuming a headcrab probably doesn't leave it's hosts in peace. Smile Lee (talk) 02:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You assume right; many headcrab victims are still aware of their fate. Lots42 (talk) 03:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Still Alive Reference
Should it be noted that Black Mesa was referenced in the song "Still Alive" from Portal? (24.107.104.178 (talk) 01:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC))
 * Not really. It's nothing more than trivia, and wouldn't do anything to describe Black Mesa. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 02:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture placement and reordering
I think we've selected the right pictures (including the right number of pictures - any more would be too much) for this article but we have the location conflict.

This could be resolved by reordering sections in terms of the respective game "chunks", with "Half-Life" (BMRC and Xen), "Half-Life 2 & episodes" (the rest in rough game chronological order) and "Others" (Ap. Sci.).

(Also, I believe we should cover Lost Coast with a link to the article in here? It is a named area and would be part of the H-L2 "canon") --M ASEM 00:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I suppose that's doable, although the HL1 section will probably look rather starved due to the existance of only two locations. As for Lost Coast, there's enough sources about the design of the location in the Lost Coast article, so that can be done with little problem. I'm not sure it counts as proper "canon" in the HL universe, but that's irrelevant from the real-world perspective. -- Sabre (talk) 00:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and made the change. Would it be better to merge the single Portal location with the HL2 section, though, or is that assuming too much plot-wise? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 05:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

black mesa, new mexico?
is there a cite for black mesa being in new mexico? it's inspired by area 51, located in nevada, and there's a real-world location of black rock, nevada. and one of the outdoor settings in the game is pretty clearly based on hoover dam, on the nevada/arizona line. Rmd1023 (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * If I remember correctly, its given as New Mexico in the post-credit bits during the introduction, in the same bits as giving the character's name, security clearance, etc. Its also given in the employment letter in the manual. -- Sabre (talk) 18:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah! That would do it. Thanks. Rmd1023 (talk) 17:48, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have rectified an information saying that the Mojave Desert is/was located in New Mexico - when in fact it's not.

The actual whereabouts of the facility are indeed unknown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.220.2.26 (talk) 00:09, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

It is shown as being in Black Mesa, New Mexico in the introduction of HL1 JordanianMaroon (talk) 04:15, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

The Citadel prototype ?
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Файл:Burj_Dubai_20071204.jpg This dark asymmetric stage of building looks like the Citadel prototype to me. Imagine it short from another angle. 109.170.47.162 (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Xen: "Fracture destabilized further" after death of Nihilanth
Has this been confirmed? I realize it is a popular theory to explain the presence of headcrabs etc. on Earth during HL2, but to the best of my knowledge it is still just a theory. Perhaps I'm wrong, but there is no citation to guide me...Jacob.stjohn (talk) 16:12, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Opposing Force Boot Camp Location
There is another area in Half-Life: Opposing Force that isn't Black Mesa or Xen. It is the Boot Camp (Training Room) that you can play in the beginning of the game. Here is a picture for those who aren't familiar with it. But it definitely is located outside of Black Mesa, however I don't know the exact location or whether or not it is relevant enough to add to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kermit Who (talk • contribs) 21:41, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

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Dam City-17
Hydroelectricity Dam in eastern Europe, where can City-17 possibly be?

Perhaps close to one of these dams?
 * 1) Vidraru Dam
 * 2) Gura Apelor Dam
 * 3) Porţile de Fier Dam
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Hello, Gordon!
HLVR:AI is a popular series that takes place in black mesa. Hello, Gordon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:8245:5200:6DA9:8918:2962:39A0 (talk) 03:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Inaccurate Naming of the Gargantua
In the Xen section of this article, it references the "Black Mesa Golem Ape." This was the informal name given to the alien Gargantua in Half-Life VR But The AI is Self Aware. While it is a rather humorous edit, I think that for accuracy the name should be changed back to Gargantua. BoyBeyondTheStars (talk) 17:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)BoyBeyondTheStars