Talk:Lockout (industry)

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Edited page to be more comprehensive of reasons for, and circumstances surrounding lockouts--Nicky Scarfo 23:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Needed?

 * In the United States, under Federal labor law, an employer may only hire temporary replacements. In a strike, unless it is an Unfair labor practice (ULP) strike, an employer may legally hire permanent replacements.

I was wondering if it important to have a link to "Temporary replacements" and "Permanent replacements." I just don't think you need to define these anymore or that they need whole articles dedicated to them. - Lanlost

POV
I tried to improve this statement:


 * Other times, particularly in the United States, a lockout occurs when union membership rejects the company's last and final offer at negotiations and offers to return to work under the same conditions of employment as existed under the now expired contract.

That appears to suggest that the offer is the best that the employer can make or at least the best the employer has offered. The first is POV and the second is probably untrue, at least theoretically. I believe employers do sometimes play hardball and may make a better offer with a deadline and upon the end and non acceptance, may only make a reduced offer not as good as before.


 * Other times, particularly in the United States, a lockout occurs when union membership rejects the company's last and final offer at negotiations and offers to return to work under the same conditions of employment as existed under the now expired contract.

The above appears less POV to me... Nil Einne 08:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

They, uh, look completely identical to me.. -_0  The Corsair  22:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry the original version was:


 * Other times, particularly in the United States, a lockout occurs when union membership rejects the company's last, best and final offer at negotiations and offers to return to work under the same conditions of employment as existed under the now expired contract. In such a case, the lockout is designed to pressure the workers into accepting the terms of the company's last offer.


 * I removed the best bit as it was problematic for the reasons mentioned above. It is not necessarily the best the employer could offer nor is it necessarily the best that was offered. Nil Einne (talk) 15:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Lockin

 * The opposite is a Lockin where an employer prevents employees from leaving the worksite. This tactic is usually used to prevent a strike

This isn't explained very well. How exactly does an employer prevent employees from leaving a worksite? I would assume locking people in to a worksite for any length of time would potentially be a criminal act or at least a violation of one's rights in most countries... Nil Einne 09:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

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it should be noted that lockout is illegal in some countries eg Greece — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.44.113 (talk) 19:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Lockout (sports) into Lockout (industry)
There is nothing about a lockout in these professional sports leagues that is so different from other industry lockouts to merit its own page. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge. A sports lockout is unique enough to warrant its own article, as all US sports leagues are covered under unique laws regarding their legally established monopoly. These types of lockouts are different than industry lockouts. Sports lockouts are also much more notable and well covered then industry lockouts, as a sports lockout is an international topic. « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 16:45, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you have it backwards. Lockouts being a regular occurrence in sports is largely an American phenomenon (MLB, NFL, etc.), whereas lockouts in general happen globally. Endwise (talk) 01:30, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , sorry, my original comment wasn't clear. What I meant was a sports lockout, such as in the NHL or MLB, is an international story reported across the globe. On the other side, an industry lockout could go completely unnoticed outside of regional or local newspapers. With the NFL expanding its international footprint (see NFL International Series), MLB, MLS, NBA and NHL all having Canadian/Mexican teams, sports lockouts are widely reported and probably the most noticeable of lockout. « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 14:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong support Lockout (sports) merely replicates a small portion of the Lockout (industry) article; there's nothing additional on that page that merits it standing on its own. 173.175.200.238 (talk) 21:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)