Talk:Loggerhead sea turtle/Archive 2

Several things
The last paragraph of this section is a little hard to follow. I would recommend starting out with a small definition of each stage of aggression, followed by an explination of what can be expected to happen in each stage.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 14:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC) "However, eggs are not laid too far from the ocean to decrease the risk of hatchlings being unable to find the sea[31]"--pretty rough wording. Do you mean to say that the mothers bury them close enough to the ocean to avoid the danger of them never being able to find it?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 14:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I fixed this.--TimHAllstr (talk) 22:00, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Breaking up the notes into columns would compact the section and reduce scrolling.--JimmyButler (talk) 04:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I think the notes appear differently depending on web browser (but I'm entirely unsure).--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 22:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Invalid Ref tags
I noticed we have invalid ref tags in our article. I looked through for any problems, and couldn't figure out the reason why. Any help with these tags? Joshyhmarks (talk) 00:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It often happens, for whatever technical reason, when a lot gets moved around. Just let the bots come along and fix them if it cannot be figured out.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 17:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Introduction Paragraph
Reading through the intro again I noticed that more on the hatchlings was added. Is all of that necessary in the introduction, or can it just be stated later on in the article?--Kyleemmroz (talk) 01:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Distribution map
Why is the dist. map in the article twice?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 17:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have removed the one from the info box. Images should be located where that are relevant to the text. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 17:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * That works, it's a beautiful map.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 18:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Captions
The name throughout the article needs to be consistent. I've seen "the loggerhead," "the loggerhead sea turtle," and "the Loggerhead Sea Turtle" in the captions alone. I believe it should be all lowercase (the loggerhead sea turtle).--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 18:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The leading 'the' depends on grammar, but I agree that the name 'loggerhead sea turtle' should be used and consistently. Sometimes it's 'loggerhead' or 'loggerheads', if this is it's common name that that you be given in the lead. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 19:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Is loggerhead not appropriate? If needed I can go through the article and change everything to "loggerhead sea turtle". Vancemiller (talk· contribs· count· email)  20:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure with this case, but I was asked to say "bog turtle" instead of just "bog." I was told it was informal (but "loggerhead" may be okay, also, check capitalization).--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 20:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Check capitalization for loggerhead? It's supposed to be all lowercase, we verified this somewhere.... Vancemiller (talk· contribs· count· email)  20:37, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Check the caption of the image with the female laying eggs...--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 01:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Took care of the captions issue. I guess it would be better to be safe than sorry and change the loggerhead to loggerhead sea turtle.--TimHAllstr (talk) 02:13, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Has a consensus been reached over the naming of this turtle? Is loggerhead an appropriate abbreviation? Vancemiller (talk· contribs· count· email)  10:46, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * With an article on people you can shorten to the surname or pseudonym (WP:SURNAME), but this article isn't a person. We don't claim in the text that 'loggerhead' is a common name for loggerhead sea turtle - but maybe it is? If we do use 'loggerhead' is should be started from the lead and make the article consistent throughout. I checked some FA articles with three or more word animals and found they used the full name i.e. Red-tailed Black Cockatoo, Greater Crested Tern. Therefore, without a claim of a common name of loggerhead, that the usage 'loggerhead sea turtle' is required. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 11:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * If it were stated in the lead that loggerhead is a common name, would it be acceptable? The first sentence would be something like this: The loggerhead sea turtle (Caretta caretta), or loggerhead, is an oceanic turtle distributed throughout the world. Vancemiller (talk· contribs· count· email)  01:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe this was overlooked... See above response/question. Vancemiller (talk· contribs· count· email)  00:46, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Not overlooked. Just didn't know what to say. You can't just make something up yourself, but you can use it if reliable sources says so. Kenneth Dodd p4 says 1.2.4 Standard common names 'loggerhead (English)'. So yes that should be included. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 01:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * As well as the lead it wants to be explained in the taxonomy section similiar to Cane_toad. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 01:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Done Vancemiller (talk· contribs· count· email)  18:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Dead link?
The link currently 62 here, seems dead. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 01:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Got rid of the source. It was only used to double cite something.--TimHAllstr (talk) 01:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion:Add reference
"Loggerhead turtles are the most common nesting sea turtle in the United States. They nest from Texas to North Carolina, requiring soft sandy beaches with little or no light pollution. The largest concentration is in south Florida."
 * This claim needs a reference. There are none that follow it and important information like this needs to be cited. If the reference is the same as the one that occurs right before it just move it to after. There just needs to be a reference after this comment to verify the statement. --Kaker42 (talk) 02:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I removed it. It was already cited in another section and didn't belong in the reproduction section. Vancemiller (talk· contribs· count· email)  10:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Quiescent disambiguation
From the lead "females lay an average of four egg clutches while nesting and then become quiescent, producing no eggs for two to three years". Is seems to me the dictionary definition of resting, quiet or not active is what is meant. However quiescent gives an option of Behavioral neuroscience - that doesn't seem to fit here, but similar enough to check with others. I think the dictionary definition is what is meant, can therefore the link be removed or changed to quiescent? Regards, SunCreator (talk) 12:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed I changed it to the dictionary definition. Vancemiller (talk· contribs· count· email)  01:36, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

juveniles and subadults
"The gender of juveniles and subadults cannot be determined through external anatomy". I think subadult includes juveniles so is juveniles redundant here? Regards, SunCreator (talk) 14:15, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed I removed "of subadults" since it was redundant. Vancemiller (talk· contribs· count· email)  17:01, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually I was wrong. Reading Ana Valente's text it is clear that juveniles and subadult are two different things. Kenneth Dodd p5 also gives a definition of each which are different. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 01:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

papillae
papillae is an ambiguous link found in the Loggerhead_sea_turtle section. Can it be resolved? Regards, SunCreator (talk) 01:16, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done I changed it to the wikitionary defition. Vancemiller (talk· contribs· count· email)  14:29, 23 May 2010 (UTC)