Talk:Lois Griffin/Archive 1

Religion?
Not sure what episode states (or suggests) Lois converted to Catholicism. Cromulent Kwyjibo 18:01, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I was thinking the same thing; at the end of "Holy Crap", Peter refers to "sleeping with my Protestant wife", implying that Lois has never officially converted to Catholicism. The only evidence suggesting otherwise is in "Lethal Weapons" when Lois goes to church with the family; but this doesn't mean she officially has become a member. If I'm not jumping to conclusions, I think the reference to converting can be taken out.--Benfergy 23:56, September 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree. (Excellent quoting of episodes, btw). Cromulent Kwyjibo 15:15, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Also she (along with the rest of the Griffin family) went to a Jewish church in When you wish a Wienstien this doesn't make her Jewish

She also stated in Holy Crap that Francis was never comfortable that she's NOT catholic rather WASN'T catholic. Francis would have no reason to tell her she'd burn in hell if she was converted. Like Patrica Heaton and her family, she hasn't converted or left her faith, but is happy to raise her family in one faith.


 * I just noticed something in You May Now Kiss the Ah... Guy Who Receives, Lois goes to a church and talks to a priest/preacher/pastor/etc. Now by the look of the church and dude there I would assume it's protestant. Meaning she goes to a protestant church for herself. Although I could be completely wrong. --Mincan 02:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's best to remove her religion from the bio until there's a resolution. User:Baronjim

Subliminal stereotype: Lois the "Jewess"?
Some of us Family Guy fans believe Lois Griffin's ethnic/religious origin isn't limited to WASPs. She reminds me of popular Jewish female characters on movies and TV shows, her accent, the way her facial features are, and the "dominating" matriarchal liberal (i.e. Jewish mother) traits are her personality. Can anyone confirm the show's writers are subliminaly adding "Jewishness" to Lois' personality? She reminds me of Nancy Pelosi, Gloria Steinem, Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, powerful (and reportedly Jewish liberal) urbanite women in politics (I doubt Pelosi is, but who knows and who cares). Let me get it straight, Lois Griffin's ethnicity is Anglo-Saxon and New york Dutch, then she reminds me of those "educated" or sophisicated and affluent New Yorker-Reform Jews, according to popular stereotypes, spout vocal opposition to anything conservative, rightist and bigotry. Lois tries to straight out Peter Griffin's masculine and chauvinist behavior around her, then the show makes her a neurotic thinking feminist type...and notice Lois has "semitic-mediteranean" features with the "big nose". Are the writers and animators try to convince most fans that Lois the "Jewess"? I knew Peter exhibits stereotypes of blue-collar small town white men, as well a drinking, dancing and cheerful Irish catholic. Family guy is politically incorrect, but a racist or sexist humor show? I hope not or there would be protests, lawsuits or boycotts by now. + 207.200.116.202 13:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * "Can anyone confirm the show's writers are subliminaly adding "Jewishness" to Lois' personality?" How exactly could anyone confirm that the writers are doing something they themselves are not aware of? Would you like someone to pay for psychiatric examination of the writers? Optimus Sledge 02:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh? Where is your reference? Reliable   Forever talk 18:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

This article is considered too long by some people
The events in Family Guy are not really meant to make sense and therefore it's kind of pointless to try and piece together a life story of a character by citing the various cutaway gags that each episode is full of. See Talk:Peter Griffin. GT 08:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * What a serious underestimation. No one would think of saying something like that about Marge Simpson. Cromulent Kwyjibo 23:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Talking about Marge Simpson: Shouln't the article mention Lois' immense similarities to Marge? Mütze 15:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides their gambling problems and kleptomania, can you list "immense similarities" that are both general (visible across several episodes) and specific (i.e., not so general as "both are married to fat guys")? Cromulent Kwyjibo 21:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

While amusing, "Besides her quirkiness and hidden talents, Lois has a strong sexual side as well. One instance finds her in a dominatrix outfit, while another episode has her reaching an emotional climax by yelling at Peter to slap her panty-clad backside! Later, she role-plays the bad school girl, asking Peter for a spanking. Lois can be cuddly, too, and aggressive as well. She’s playful and willing to take the lead if she feels like it. A very complex woman!" is arguably not encyclopedic. - 60.35.171.241 00:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Some trimming is necessary, but with scissors, not a machete. ShutterBugTrekker 21:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Some stuff might need to be timed, but don't become "Jack the Ripper". There are people like me who like to read long articals on there favorite thing.--BrianGriffin-FG 20:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hear, hear. This is about a cartoon character, and anyone who reads past the first couple of paragraphs is not looking for a concise summary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.Urban (talk • contribs) 15:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Lois's weight
Hi - just trying to find where the characters' weights are mentioned - it's perfectly possible I've just missed them, but if, as I suspect, they are purely speculative, I think they should be left as 'unknown', or the category should just be erased. Any comments?Libatius 20:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The episode "Sibling Rivalry" might shed some light on this. It looks like Lois returns to her usual weight at the end. Cromulent Kwyjibo 23:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Who added ten pounds to Lois? Said before she was 120, now its at 130? Where are the sources for these figures? The only character whose weight is ever mentioned in an episode to my knowledge is Stewie being 29 pounds when he goes to the doctor. And who keeps changing her height? Before she was 5ft 9in, now she 5 ft 7 1/2in. Again, where in the first place do we get these figures from?


 * I'd forgotten about this...I've raised this on another Family Guy page, but I know of one editor at least who changed the heights and weights based on his own 'knowledge of human physiology and BMI'. So that'll be a roundabout way of saying 'speculation' then...Libatius 23:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Lois had 3 kids (Chris, Meg and Stewie) and looks like she never had em? this is a cartoon alright. Make the damn writers and animaters redraw Lois to "anatomically correct" figures. Does she have parasites in her? Oh wait, I spoiled it! LoL. she must come from Hollywood or Malibu, not Quahog RI! 207.200.116.198 08:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

External Link
I hope an external link is okay for this site. I added the link there. I know usually only the largest fan sites are allowed to be added to wiki but there are no other fan sites exclusively for Lois Griffin, so this also falls under the category of unique. Anyway, please discuss this first if you don't think this link should be there. -- 16:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but I am going to remove that link for now. The links are all dead and it's hosted on geocities which cannot handle the traffic generated by wikipedia.  My apologies.


 * You wouldn't happen to be the guy offering to upgrade my services are you? He keeps posting on my guestbook that he'll upgrade my bandwidth. Anyway, if the link is going to be taken down, seeing how it is the only Lois Griffin fansite on the web, or at least the first, I think more than just YOU should say so. There should be some DISCUSSION as that is what this page is named. You completely ignored my post here asking a person to first discuss this with me. I don't see that the link was against any wikilaw, thus the fact that it has been up since I added it many many months ago. I'll leave it off to avoid a meaningless link war with you. Can anyone else offer some ideas as to why or why it shouldn't be here?


 * I am going to change my service provider next month to an unlimited bandwidth account. So I am putting the link back up since that notice will be posted on the homepage for people to see. Now there should be no problem with the link, it will "be able to handle traffic from wikipedia".

The time bomb
If Stewie did place a real bomb inside Lois's womb would it be likely to last the 10+ years untill she was 50?


 * I think the ticking timb bomb Stewie was referring to was menopause. Or at least thats how ive always understood that.


 * Well, since when did Stewie's plots and madcap schemes actually work as intended? He thinks Rupert speaks to him.  I took it more of his snide drivel.  I guess he could be referring to menopause, although he seems fairly ignorant to women in general, let alone their anatomy.  *looking suspiciously at my child, wondering of what to expect myself at 50* Phoenix frou 02:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

You have to understand that, yes he is a baby, but he is REALLY smart. You have to keep in mind that he has made a working time machene, a working ray-gun that is shown in at least 1 episode every season, and a working weather machene. Of cource he is going to think that Rupert talks to him, and that you disapper when you play peak-a-boo with him. He is a smart '''baby. It is possible that he did place a ticking time bomb in her womb. When he tells Stu "She's still alive? What the hell man!" in the Stewie movie apon seeing Lois 30+ years from now, he cold mean (although somewhat doutfull) "You messed up the time bomb."--BrianGriffin-FG 20:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

LGBT category?
I'm pretty sure the intention of the writers is to show Lois is bisexual, having her referenced an attraction to women on several occasions. While it's unlikely the character will ever declare "I am bi", it's all in the show with no other possible intention for those expositions. If I add Category:Fictional LGBT characters and even put in "<<!" style editors notes, will someone revert it? Zythe 17:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Has it ever been reverted before? If not, I'd say "no". I think we all can agree she fits the category, despite being married to a man. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 21:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Not that I don't agree with you all, but how does one exlain the quote from Lois in Season 3's Brian Does Hollywood where a guy comes up to Lois and asks if she'd like to perform a little girl on girl action, and she tells Peter to do something he simply says, "Good Luck, I've been barking up that tree for 17 years."


 * Could it be that she really isn't a bisexual? Or is it simply her abstination while she is married to Peter? (Oh I also made a few minor edits to the article, namely, a broken link to an episode and a redundant sentence) Mincan 14:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

So... I must have missed something here. Where precisely is it conclusively stated (in the show) that Lois is bi? Because, obviously, simply guessing at that "fact" would be considered original research.


 * I don't get this - although Lois seems to be open minded, there is not evidence in the show that she was ever attracted to women? I would delete this part... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.172.213.28 (talk) 02:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

In Act 1 of Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story/Stewie B. Goode Peter, in his "What Really Grinds my Gears" segment about Linsey Lohan, says, "Everyone knows that no woman anywhere wants to have sex with anyone, and to tell us other wise is just, is just bogos." It cutsaway to Lois and the kids on the sofa whatching the segment, and Lois replyes, "He's right, women are such teasers. That's why i swiched back to men." In Brian Sings and Swings, Lois shows Meg what a real lesbian kiss is, she pasonetly kisses Meg's girlfriend for about 20-30 seconds and after it, it looks like Meg's girlfriend enjoyed that kiss.--BrianGriffin-FG 21:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Per WP:CAT, her bisexuality (if she is bisexual) should be a *defining characteristic* of the character. Since we can't even agree here on the talk page, and like is stated above, it's unlikely she'll say "I'm bi", the category doesn't belong. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe she is lesbian, i now i tell you why


 * In Fifteen Minutes of Shame she said to had a kiss-french when she was younger with her friends, (all her friends are girls)
 * In Brian Sings and Swings To demonstrate her daughter how kiss one woman, she kisses the Meg's friends (During a brief time)
 * In You May Now Kiss the...Uh...Guy Who Receives on a deleted scene when Lois goes to talk with the priest she said "don't has nothing against the homosexuals" And she puts an example, saying has a sex with other womens Adding later "the sex with womens satisfied all your fantasies. --Ravave (talk) 07:32, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Two things: I don't disagree that Lois has had sexual relationships with women. However, that doesn't mean she's a lesbian. She's had sexual relationships with men, too, so there's the *possibility* she's bisexual, but only a possibility.
 * Second, read WP:CAT: Categories are for defining characteristics. Lois' sexuality may have been mentioned or even the focus of a couple shows.  But she's been in ~100, and her defining characteristics are her relationship with Peter and the rest of her family. That's why the category doesn't belong on the article, IMO. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:07, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Lois' Voice
Lois Griffin is portrayed by Alex Borstein, but her voice looks very weird.

It wasn't until the middle of the second season when Lois' voice became what she described as "Whiny and Nasally" in Petarded. I need to know more about Lois Griffin's voice! Jim856796 04:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The fact the voices have changed is alluded to several times in commentaries and special features on the characters. They attribute the change in Stewie, Peter, and Lois' voice as "finding the character" and becoming "comfortable with the character". I personally prefer Lois' voice from season 1/2. The voice now is too over-the-top and irritating and takes away from the character IMHO. Stewie's voice now has a bit of a lisp to it that I find annoying.--70.48.30.229 17:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I like Lois's post-Season 2 voice better. Her pre-Season 2 voice sounds boring!Jim856796 04:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Who wrote this section in the first place? Reliable   Forever talk 18:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Democrat?
Lois's partisan leanings are never discussed in the show or the movie? Why is she listed under fictional Democrats? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian Murphy (talk • contribs)
 * Perhaps I'm blind, but where in the article other than the categories section is she mentioned a democrat?--Mincan 01:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It was at the very bottom, in the Categories. I removed it now. If anyone wants to add it back in, they had better be ready to cite an actual episode or a page number in an official book from the show's producers. Cromulent Kwyjibo 17:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

German conservative
What are the sources of her German ancestry and conservative leanings? --Liberlogos 02:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I deleted the unsourced claims of her conservative leanings and German heritage off the infobox. Gdo01 23:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * come on, she's a flaming knee-jerk liberal! I know Lois is a freaking cartoon (don't exist), but some concocted character based on liberal women who yell, demand, whine, moan or bitch about things, like how men treated women badly (and still do). does Lois have bipolar disorder or split personalities? her accent dont sound too new england to me, but part "nuue yoor-kah" or this is how Alex Borstein (Lois' voice) speak a phony Boston accent? 207.200.116.198 08:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well you see she has changed so much as a person. This has really been driven home in this last season, season 5. She is "insane" compared to the season 1 character who was truly a conservative. As the show continues to break water, her character just doesn't fit into the bill any longer. All the characters are just vehicles to malady. They really don't fit into "liberal" or "conservative" because their ideas on everything are so demented. --Mincan 18:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand how Lois is a German American when on her family page it clearly says she has English heritage, I don't get it :S 172.201.228.89 (talk) 22:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Provide a source saying Lois is of "English heritage". Other Wikipedia pages are not reliable sources because they are in effect self-published. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

On the episode "Peter Griffin: husband, father... brother?" Didn't it show the Pewterschmidt family photograph book with pictures indicating a German heritage? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. (I'm sure you will!) :-)

what else could a name ending in 'schmidt' be if not german? although auf deutsch sagt man ' zinnschmidt' für 'pewtersmith'. actually the english term is pewterer. anyway, it's half anglicized but still obviously german.Toyokuni3 (talk) 02:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Toyokuni3 (talk) 06:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Lois' Age Discrepancy
In the article it states that Lois was born sometime in 1966 but in the first episode "Death Has a Shadow" it is indicated that Lois is 40 years old which would put her birth sometime in 1959 not 1966, This scenario of being born in 1959 would have Lois attending and graduating from High School in the 1970's (1977 to be specific) with Meg who in the episode stated she was 15 puts her birth in 1984, Chris was born three years later in 1987 and Stewie born in 1998. If Lois were born in 1966 then Meg would have been born when Lois was 17 (which is not that all impossible, It does happen), Chris would have be born when she was 20 and Stewie would have be born when she was 33 which is totally out of whack with the show's timeline. What does everyone else think? Should the age be changed to 1959 to be consistent with the show's timeline. Misterrick 20:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think Lois's year of birth should be changed to 1959, or maybe 1960.Jim856796 12:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Trying to say her date of birth isn't a good idea, as it would have to keep changing. The thing to remember is that, with several of these animated families, the characters stay the same age, regardless of how much time actually passes. And that's setting aside the fact that Family Guy is unusually prone to inconsistency with such matters. (Peter age varies wildly between the years that he was alive in, the ages he's been at in different decades, and the hairstyles that illustrate what time he was an adult for) Trying to apply a concrete and reasonable age to something that's neither concrete nor reasonable is artificially manufacturing encyclopedic content.

In the latest episode actually says she was 18-years-old in 1984, making her 41 in 2007, and making her birth date 1966 --JohnVMaster 23:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That episode (Meet the Quagmires) made Family Guy kill 1984. Lois cannot be born in 1966. Jim856796 15:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Flictional Flight Attendants category
Should Lois be listed in this category? After all, Lois was a flight attendant for just one episode.
 * I took the category out because I don't think it should be here. 70.96.210.48

Character information - a stretch?
A lot of things are listed here that, on a show like this, seem like a stretch. Brief, often self-contradictory jokes are a staple of the show, but an enormous number of these are listed in the bio as character facts; this talk page even has an "LGBT issues" banner on the basis of these jokes alone! (And contradicting others, like "Scott Baio is androgynous enough...") It seems to me that only very frequently and consistently seen traits should be included on the bios from a show like this. Twin Bird 02:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The idea that the show is filled with "self-contradictory jokes" is a serious misconception and an injustice to the show. Sure, there are a few contradictions, but probably a lot fewer than your typical sitcoms where the writers make no effort to maintain continuity (e.g., The Drew Carey Show).
 * In the specific case of Lois, the bits of her backstory revealed so far hold up extremely well if we ignore just one bit in "Lethal Weapons." We can say that Lois is a daughter of wealth who was promiscuous in her youth and experimented with lesbianism, and we can back up each of these statements with plenty of examples from episodes from season 1 all the way forward. Cromulent Kwyjibo 21:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * looks like the majority of the page was deleted. a shame. Ono 15:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, just a quarter, as I explain in the next section. It looks to me that you're complaining about the very thing you re-introduced into the article. Another Slappywag Among Petorians 23:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I think the LGBT banner at the top of the talk page is a farce. Nothing about this character is at all pertinent to gay issues. That said, of course the show is self-contradictory. I mean, heck, when they decided that francis griffin wasn't peter's father, that effectively meant that all of peter's ancestors weren't his ancestors (including the slave owned by lois's ancestors). And yet, they, strangely enough, all very closely resembled him... hmm... Why, it's almost as though... it's just a cartoon! Seriously, confusing silly jokes with gay issues? Trying to get logical 'canon' out of nonsense? Not terribly encyclopedic. Bladestorm 19:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hate crimes sometimes start with silly jokes. Pop culture perception of gays is important to gays. Another Slappywag Among Petorians 23:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * um...
 * I'm sorry. I think I'm missing something here... What do jokes implying that lois is gay (and a meth addict. and a dominatrix. and etc. etc. etc.) have to do with hate crimes? Bladestorm 23:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Jokes in the pop culture influence the perception of hate criminals. It doesn't give them a free pass, but it should be kept in mind. Cromulent Kwyjibo 22:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Um. Hi..this is a cartoon. It isn't like real life. That is why things like this really dont matter all to much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.200.168 (talk) 08:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Clean up details
Although it's true that continuity applies better to Lois than to Peter, there were genuinely things in this article that needed to be cleaned up and which Plinth took care of Friday the 13th. Specifically:


 * 1) Some things were said twice (such as the list of episodes establishing Lois' lesbianism)
 * 2) There were sidetracks away from Lois and into the specific episode mentioned, stuff that should go in the episode article but here it's just a digression
 * 3) Some items were stated without reference to any specific episode.

That's how I understand Plinth's clean up. Another Slappywag Among Petorians 22:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Lois' age got messed up in "Meet the Quagmires"
In the controversial episode Meet the Quagmires, Brian Griffin believed that Lois is 18 in 1984, despite Lois' being two years younger than Peter. Because of that fact that she would have been 16 years old by then. She cannot be 18 or 16 in 1984. She was 21 in 1984, and I tried to prove it by explaining to you that Lois was 42, but you keep reverting this fact and you need to stop that right now or I'm reporting the newly-added photo with Lois Griffin using the telephone as a copyvio. 206.255.186.75 15:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

That is an ... interesting way to handle a content dispute. In other news, this article is so fucking creepy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.84.72 (talk) 06:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC) >

Sesection?
what the hell is a sesection. trust me, there's no such word. do you mean c-section (caesarian section)? the difference between a vaginal delivery and a c-section has nothing to do with drug use per se. besides, why would lois have wanted a c-section? the entire sentence makes no sense and will be deleted if not fixed. oh yeah, throughout is one word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toyokuni3 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Strange Remarks (Meth, etc.)
Is it possible that some of the strange remarks regarding Lois ("Meth is a hell of a drug", etc.) may be throwaway jokes intended to be shocking rather than revealing about her past? I don't think that it's all intended to be taken literally. Perhaps a brief disclaimed could be added to the bio? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.49.13 (talk) 06:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a good example of what Manual of Style (writing about fiction) calls "[u]sing throwaway comments or jokes as a source of information". Assembling a detailed biography from such comments is not a good idea. It is also unnecessary; Lois is not a real person, so this is not a historical account.
 * Wikipedia does not use disclaimers in articles. What is needed instead is for the article to be re-written. / edg ☺ ☭ 10:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Feedback, Anyone?
I went through the first few paragraphs and edited for grammar and sentence cohesion. This was my first large edit, so I'd appreciate you experienced Wikipedians pointing out anything I screwed up. Lordofmodesty (talk) 01:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Lordofmodesty. I've looked over the edit (I assume it's this one, made while not logged in) and I can't see anything wrong with it. In most cases I think the prose is definitely better after your changes. There are a few places where I think both versions are OK (e.g. "the majority of her time caring for her family" vs. "most of her time"), but you certainly haven't made it worse anywhere so if you prefer the new version then that's fine. Thanks for being bold and making the changes, and welcome to Wikipedia! Olaf Davis | Talk 13:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the confidence booster, Olaf. Also, I'd like to raise the idea that this article should be majorly simplified. Most of the supposed 'background' on Lois is sourced to random, isolated throw-away gags. Should we maybe add a statement to that effect, and keep only the over-arching character elemements? Lordofmodesty (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Haha, now I feel really dumb. Like four people have already discussed that issue. Maybe I should read before I post. Lordofmodesty (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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