Talk:Lolo Jones

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I just read somewhere else that Lolo is actually 5'-9", not 5'-11" as listed here. Can someone substantiate and edit as necessary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.146.181.154 (talk) 17:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5'-9" makes much more sense. Elite hurdlers are all within a limited height range.  Outside that range their stride length makes them inefficient between the hurdles.  5'-11" would be much too tall for an elite woman hurdler.User:107.15.34.110
 * Her USATF bio says 5'9"Trackinfo (talk) 09:38, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Criticism
I've just added a section about the media storm which was launched by the NYT article regarding Jones. I've linked to the article and gave the main points from the article as well as Jones' rection to it. Alas, Jones seems to be coming under criticism from Harper and Wells as well. Could someone add links to creditable sources and at it to the section? -- fdewaele 9 August 2012, 14:28

While the individual Twitter controversies may be minor, Jones's spate of them over several years' time forms a pattern unlike most of her fellow Olympians and is a more newsworthy aspect of her bio than things like an appearance on the Tonight Show. A quote in the previous paragraph gives her social media presence credit for her having been selected for the bobsled team. Her social media presence, positive and negative, is a significant aspect of her bio. To eliminate description of a demonstrated pattern of behavior and the responses it generates--one that is relevant to and has an impact on the athletic career for which she is famous--is whitewashing. 68.11.79.126 (talk) 04:26, 13 February 2014 (UTC)12 February 2014
 * We don't add up minor events to create a "pattern" and then call that notable. That's WP:SYNTH. Second, you're overstating the impact. It's a minor, fleeting news blurb and then moves on. the lack of enduring coverage shows this. Lastly, WP:NOTNEWS tells us that "Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion." Things like the comment about the girl etc are hardly enduring in notability. The girl herself is a BLP1E, and comments about her fell off the map days after they happened. This whole thing smalls more like an attempt to make this subject look bad. If you could show something significant, like maybe losing a sponsorship over a particular tweet, that could be discussed. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:16, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Niteshift36, whereas the 2012 Olympics controversy was widely noted in both written media as television, and had direct bearing on her sportive contributions and persona, these tweets and the "controversy" surrounding it are being given undue weight, and aren't really noteworthy. One needs to find an equitable equilibrium between what should be included and what not, and methinks this just doesn't passes the test. -- fdewaele, 13 February 2014, 21:27 CET.

Popular Culture section
Is it just me, or is the Popular Culture section fairly misleading and abrupt? The USA Today source is good, but isn't really portrayed well in the text. Here is my suggested revision, but I'm not going to change it until I get positive feedback (mainly because I'm new to this). I also noticed that the citation used did not substantiate the second claim, about her appearing in Outside magazine.


 * In October 2009, Jones posed semi-nude for ESPN the Magazine, The Bodies Issue. At first she had qualms about posing without clothes, but she later relented when she was assured that she would have a final say in the photos used in the magazine. She stated later that she hoped that the issue would help change the cultural perception that women had to be underweight in order to be beautiful. [30]
 * In 2012 she appeared on the cover of Outside magazine seeming to wear a bathing suit made of strategically placed ribbon. [citation needed] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffxtreme (talk • contribs) 14:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In 2012 she appeared on the cover of Outside magazine seeming to wear a bathing suit made of strategically placed ribbon. [citation needed] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffxtreme (talk • contribs) 14:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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Heritage restored
Her heritage has been restored using WP:RS there is no reason for her heritage to be alterd nor the categories that apply be removed when reliable sources state her heritage especially when she herself is not making the statements which seems to be the main argument.Mcelite (talk) 06:53, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems fair enough to me. We shouldn't be cherry picking from the source, that would be WP:OR so if we're using it for the Norwegian and African descent then why not the Native American too. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 07:11, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The article text seems fine. There is a problem with the cat though. All of the sources simply say she is of Native American descent or heritage or something similar, they don't comment why they say this. But the category text says: "" (emphasis mine). None of the sources clearly support a self-identification as being of Native American ethnic descent so effectively we have a BLPvio. People who see the cat and aware of it's purpose will assume she does. This article has gone through a recent edit war, and I've seem some discussion of "she says" so possibly some source exists which establish a self-identification so I won't remove the cat but the problem needs to be remedied ASAP. As an alternative, the cat could be changed to use the wording similar to the French and Norwegian ones. I'm not sure of the history and why this category uses that specific wording, so this should be explored. I suspect this article isn't the only one with a problem. For example, Tiger Woods is also in the cat even though his article doesn't even say he's of Native American descent, it says "some people suggested" that he (or rather his mother) has Native American ancestry. Nil Einne (talk) 08:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I should clarify I'm referring to the American people of Native American descent cat. The Native American sportspeople is a whole other kettle of fish I can't be bothered getting in to. Nil Einne (talk) 08:18, 12 May 2019 (UTC)


 * She's never named a Nation, so it can't be checked. The only source that possibly did any fact-checking, the Root, says she "claims" heritage. So, even though we don't usually phrase it that way, that's what's in the source. Sports bio blurbs and other sources not from the Nations aren't WP:RS. There is zero proof she has any heritage, and that category is a mess, currently undergoing assessment and cleanup. - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 19:00, 12 May 2019 (UTC)