Talk:Lompoc, California

Question
What's this center of the flower region thing? Where are the boundaries? Carpinteria grows more flowers! JHK

Carpinteria probably does. Most of the Lompoc Valley acreage for flowers has been long ago converted to vegetables, more profitable to grow. Developers' houses are the latest Lompoc Valley crop, ruining what were once some of the most beautiful views of a California agricultural paradise, and devastating the 'small town' feeling of the community...

Thanks
Thank you for including the pronunciation key! I lived in Lompoc back in the early '50s (when G Street was the edge of town), and I've spent all my life correcting people who mispronounced it Lom-POCK. . . .--199.80.65.142 16:53, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

There seems to be some kind of data bust in the Demographics section which lists the racial makeup of the city as "65.81% White" and later states that "Hispanic or Latino of any race were 37.31% of the population." That alone is more than 100% - even worse after adding in the other race demographics. Keith T (Lompoc resident 1964 to 1972 - a great place to grow up)
 * That's where you local guys have to come in. I have this page on my watchlist but cannot keep with your census demographics. You have to police your pages. Ex. would be a header stating:


 * The Census Bureau does not treat Hispanic as a race--Hispanics can be white, black, Indian, whatever. So some people are counted in both numbers. Nareek (talk) 07:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Census data off
Please see discussion above. Ronbo76 05:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Chumash translation source?
Is there a reference available for the translation from Chumash? There are at least three other definitions on-line today, and all are substantially different. Thanks, Rodxtal 00:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

So I have been doing some dives into Cultural Geography and I read up on the word “Lompoc”. It has always bothered me that “stagnant waters” is mentioned twice on our Wikipedia page and the sources seemed dubious. I reached out to the Western Institute for Endangered Language Documentation (WIELD, wieldoc.org) and Dr. Timothy Henry-Rodriguez took the time to write me back. He is the foremost expert on the Purisimeño dialect and was able to correct the record. Lompoc is based on lumpo'o̥ which means “in the cheeks”, and yes I made sure to confirm with him that it is indeed facial cheeks. He added that placenames from body parts were common in Chumashan territory and in some cases the naming conventions go back to mythology. So I read up on a work by Richard Applegate (1974) and this confirmed a story near Ventura (micqanaqan) ''“This name is attributed to a shaman who saw the descending ridges on either side of the mouth of the Ventura River as the jaws of a great coyote. Further upstream the ridge between the river and Cañada Larga was referred to as ‘the tongue of Coyote’”''. Applegate also mentions locations named after: the eye, face, kneecap, the eyelash, shoulder, nose, tongue, and white of the eye. Unfortunately, I also noticed that Applegate is the reason for “stagnate waters” as he probably had heard through a folktale that it was “in reference to a former lake south of the river near Lompoc” and was a best guess with the data he had available at the time. Dr. Henry-Rodriguez made sure to point out that Applegate and himself are friends and colleagues and that Applegate’s citation from 1974 didn’t get challenged until after 1981 when John Peabody Harrington’s Chumash notes were finally catalogued and in one place. Only then the actual written account from Maria Solares confirmed the true spelling and meaning of Lompoc. But by this time the Santa Barbara Museum of Natural History already created and released “The Chumash People: Materials for Teachers and Students” in 1991 which repeated Applegate’s earlier work. The Western Institute for Endangered Language Documentation released a first edition lexicon in 2018 that corrects Lompoc’s placename, however Wikipedia and probably a lot of people’s minds still hold onto the old folktale. I wasn’t able to confirm with the Chumash Samala-English Dictionary that Applegate wrote in 2007, as it currently goes for around $150-$500 on Amazon. But it’s based on Ineseño which is a bit different than Purisimeño. Dr. Henry-Rodriguez is still working on a proper lexicon for Purisimeño, WIELD has already released a preliminary lexicon and Dr. Henry-Rodriguez recently finished the complete lexicon for Ventureño (600+ pages). Currently only half of the Chumashan languages are thoroughly documented and all have been renamed from their Spanish names except for Purisimeño and Isleño. The others being: Tilhini (Obispeño), Samala (Ineseño), Šmuwič (Barbareño), Mitsqanaqa’n (Ventureño). The Western Institute for Endangered Language Documentation has been encouraging the use of pre-European placenames on signage for various locations. As a cartographer I definitely see this as an excellent opportunity, not only for our City rebranding from “stagnant waters”, but for marketing of tourist locations to a wider audience and a goodwill gesture to our Chumash neighbors. Dr. Henry-Rodriguez is very knowledgeable and I definitely recommend reaching out to him if you have any in-depth questions.

SOURCES:

Western Institute for Endangered Language Documentation: 2018: 7

APPLEGATE, RICHARD B. “Chumash Placenames.” The Journal of California Anthropology, vol. 1, no. 2, 1974, pp. 187–205. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/27824791. Accessed 21 Oct. 2020.

McCall, Lynne & Rosalind, Perry, red. (1991): The Chumash People: Materials for Teachers and Students. Santa Barbara Museum of Natural History. San Luis Obispo, CA: EZ Nature Books. ISBN 0-945092-23-7. Page 29.

I have no idea about how to go about editing this Wikipedia page to reflect my findings. All the best, Goney3 (talk) 18:06, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Roger Ramjet
Should mention this... AnonMoos (talk) 08:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I am curious as well. I have read (and believe) that the Chumash pronounciation was indeed Lum poc and the poc was more as in small 'pox'. The translation was 'standing waters' rather than little lake. Standing waters as in a slew down at the river mouth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.31.106.35 (talk) 21:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Is there any possibility that Lompoc is actually a Homeric Greek word?
It just seems like it is to me...

Wouldn't it be something if it were??? We would have to rewrite history if it were... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.117.107.139 (talk) 00:16, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

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Pronunciation?
Source for the pronunciation. I've he arc both -pock and -poke, but the locals seem to prefer -poke. 2606:6000:FECD:1400:A15F:9BEE:2D84:44CE (talk) 20:05, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

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