Talk:Lonchura

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Type species of Lonchura
Both Peters and H&M4 appear to contain incorrect information on the type of Lonchura so I posted a query on Birdforum here. Laurent Raty kindly provided a detailed reply. He confirmed my suspicions and provided a link to an article by Wiegmann that had fixed the type. Paynter 1968 volume 14 of the Check-List of Birds of the World (ie Peters):
 * The genus Lonchura was introduced by Sykes in 1832.
 * Sykes listed three species in the genus:
 * Lonchura nisoria, Fringilla nisoria, Temm
 * Lonchura cheet
 * Lonchura leuconota, Fringilla leuconota, Temm
 * Fringilla nisoria had been described by Temminck in 1830.
 * Fringilla nisoria Temminck 1830 is now considered as a subspecies of the scaly-breasted munia (Lonchura punctulata nisoria)

"Lonchura Sykes, 1832, Proc. Zool. Soc. London, p. 94. Type, by original designation, Fringilla nisoria Temminck = Loxia punctulata Linnaeus. Not preoccupied by Lonchurus Bloch, 1793 (Pisces)."
 * Here the "Type, by original designation" is incorrect - Sykes listed three species and didn't specify a type.

Dickinson & Christidis 2014 in H&M4 Vol 2:

"LONCHURA Sykes, 1832 F - Fringilla nisoria Sykes, 1832; type by subsequent designation (Sharpe, 1890, Cat. Birds Brit. Mus., 13, p. 326). = Loxia punctulata Linnaeus, 1758"
 * Here "Fringilla nisoria Sykes, 1832" is clearly incorrect - it should be Fringilla nisoria Temminck, 1830.

Dickinson & Christidis cite Sharpe who in 1890 wrote "Lochura, Sykes, P. Z. S. 1832, p. 94 Type Munia punctulata.
 * Under the ICZN code (Art 69.1. Type species by subsequent designation), the type species must be "one of the originally included nominal species" - which would only work if Fringilla nisoria is considered as a synonym of Fringilla punctulata Linnaeus 1758.

Based on the above I've made small changes to the article. Aa77zz (talk) 13:51, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Raty provided a link to a 1835 publication by Arend Wiegmann in which Wiegmann unambiguously fixed the type: "(Typus der Gatung Lonchura is Frigilla nisoria Temm.)".