Talk:London Borough of Croydon/Archive 1

City status
Croydon is currently attempting to gain 'city status', after a previously unsuccessful attempt. And is 'rather faceless dormitory town' a bit, well, harsh? --RobertBrook

Have you been? 'Faceless dormitory town' is flattering... - GWO

(Tempting fate.) I have indeed been. Vivat Croydonia! -- RB

GLC
Croydon belongs to the GLC (Greater London Counci), therefore is a Greater London Borough, and its local government is a Greater London Council.

see:   www.rootsweb.com/~engmdx/chronology.html for the following excerpt from the chronology:

1963 "Parliament passes the London Government Act. It replaced tje County of London with Greater London. It also divided Greater London into 32 boroughs and created the Greater London Council (GLC)"

The Act implemented the incorporation of the whole County of Middlesex which therefore no longer exists, and absorbed all the suburban towns of Croydon (Surrey), Kingston (Surrey), Richmond (Surrey), Bromley (Kent), and many more.

This not a piece of megalomania on the part of myself but a fact in history, regretted by many who have been deprived of their original County status by this Act.

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news and that almost certainly will have to rewrite your items on London (Greater London). Dieter


 * Wait, that was 40 years ago and there have been at least two reorganisations since then. I don't think GLC is current usage.  See Greater London Council.


 * Yes, Sorry, it is called the Greater London Authority now and the councils have most or their responsibilities back. Thanks for pointing that out. Dieter

Brent
Sorry, Morwen, Brent is in north London, I am afraid not a neighbour of Croydon in south-east London, but Bromley and Epsom are. Hope you don't my changing it. :-) Dieter Simon 00:07, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Merge/Redirect
Shouldn't Croydon be a redirect to here seem as Croydon is normally taken to mean the borough of Croydon. And it has hundreds of links, which are currently going to the wrong place G-Man 19:38, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

No - Croydon is the "capital" of the borough. LB Croydon is much, much bigger. Secretlondon 19:46, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

But surely the word Croydon is normally used to mean the borough, in rather the same way Birmingham is used to meen the city of Birmingham. I should know my brother lives there. Couldent this be explained in the borough article rather than having a seperate and seemingly rather pointless article G-Man 19:48, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * So are you going to call for Westminster, Greenwich, Southwark, Lambeth, Hackney, Islington, Camden, Kingston, Richmond, Sutton etc to be moved?  All the London borough articles are split - none of the metropolitan boroughs are.  It may not be perfect but it is at least easy to remember, which is the most important thing when you have to make links.  Morwen 20:16, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

Well perhaps you could qualify it by calling it Croydon (town) or something, and have "Croydon" refering to the Borough, as it is the most common use of the term. G-Man 20:25, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

No other encyclopedia I've seen splits it in this way, Croydon is almost always used in refence to the borough:

See this on Encyclopedia.com http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/c/croydon.asp

G-Man 20:37, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * This needs to be discussed generally. We can't discuss Croydon in isolation without discussing Westminster, Greenwich, Southwark, Lambeth, Hackney, Islington, Camden, Sutton, Richmond,  Lewisham, Harrow, Bromley, Bexley, Wandsworth etc.  Morwen 20:42, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

See WikiProject UK Subdivisions Morwen 20:43, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

(moved from user_talk:Morwen)

Have you had any ideas about what to do with Croydon ? G-Man 19:34, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, we leave it exactly as it is. Failing to do so would make it inconsistent with EVERY OTHER LONDON BOROUGH. Morwen 19:34, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

Calm down Morwen.

Why is consistancy so important, surely the most important criteria is whats most suitable for individual circumstances? G-Man 19:41, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * yes, and in the circumstances, as people have explained to you repeatedly before, Croydon should be an article about Croydon, and London Borough of Croydon should be about the borough. I'm sorry, but your personal experiences are NOT the criteria for judging this.  Morwen 19:43, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps you should look at the google search for "Croydon" Which as far as I can see every referance to 'Croydon' is to the borough of C. and also too the 'what links here' page to Croydon  from which as far as I can see almost all refer to the borough  G-Man 19:55, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Please read what I said before. This needs to be discussed generally.  We can't discuss Croydon in isolation without discussing Westminster, Greenwich, Southwark, Lambeth, Hackney, Islington, Camden, Sutton, Richmond,  Lewisham, Harrow, Bromley, Bexley, Wandsworth etc.  You can't keep ignoring this.  Morwen 19:58, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)


 * For example, maybe it would make sense to have Southwark be a redirect to London Borough of Southwark. There is a far stronger case for Southwark to be such than Croydon, as noone ever calls the Southwark 'village' type thing that anymore.  I think the same applies to Lambeth.  But please let us discuss this generally, and stop picking on my Croydon stub. Morwen 20:05, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

OK where can I do that G-Man 20:01, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, WikiProject_London might be a good place to start, seeing as that's what defines (more or less) the current 'London Borough of X' format... Morwen 20:05, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

Croydon is the only part of London I'm familliar with, which is why I'm interested in it. I dont know much about the other boroughs, so I might not be much help in that department, but I'll see.

And Morwen please stop snapping at me in an angry tone when I ask you a question. I'm only trying to improve the encyclopedia. G-Man 20:22, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Stub Croydon
There is no need for the stub Croydon, as there is this much better article London Borough of London. All new items should go into this. The parts of Croydon are already here in Borough article. If the hairstyle item is substantiated (I have never heard of it though I am an old Croydonian) then it should also go into the larger article. The stub is much better off as a redirect. Dieter Simon 01:34, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Shopping in Croydon
Although a Croydonian myself and of course I would like to see trade thrive in the town, I agree with the revert as a link to a website that promotes shopping does not belong into Wikipedia, not into any encyclopaedia actually. Dieter Simon 01:21, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ann Summers
I never got a fix on the location of the old Ann Summers headquarters but I believe it was behind the Rose and Crown in Whyteleafe. If so, it is marginal as to which district it was in - the Croydon / Tandridge border runs right through that area. However now that she has moved to a splendid new building by the Wopses Lodge Roundabout, she is definitely in Tandridge and therefore don't qualify for mention here. -- 80.189.55.167 02:20, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)