Talk:Long Road Out of Eden/Archive 1

release date?
Date is unknown, does not seem to have taken place yet. Tvoz 23:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

"to" or "Out of"?
The article is named 'The Long Road to Eden' but I notice its saying 'The Long Road Out of Eden' in the article body. Anybody know why this is? --Cooleyez229 07:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems that even Joe Walsh isn't sure! but it looks like its going to be called "The Hard Road Out of Eden". Given the uncertainty I suggest leaving the title of this article until the band make their mind up and announce the title. Kelpin 07:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Title
Why is it Long Road Out of Eden and not Long Road out of Eden? Daniil Maslyuk 08:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree too. This article should be titled Long Road out of Eden, as the word 'out' is a preposition. RaNdOm26 13:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

One Day At A Time
I feel this is an interesting fact, its lack of inclusion, and I feel Wiki readers should know about it. It's a good piece of info, and it's not hurting anyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laynethebangs (talk • contribs) 02:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. First of all most bands record songs that never make it onto their albums.  The Sky Is Crying (album) is a whole album of them and the Eagles put on their boxed set a few years ago some stuff that didn't make it onto the Long Run.  The stuff that doesn't make it on is rarely notable.  (Although Deep Purple's When A Blind Man Cries is of course an exception to this).  Secondly as far as I know no one connected with the band has ever said this song would be on there.  If you can find a quote from a band member or someone else closely connected to the band who has said it would be on the album that might he worth noting in the article.  Kelpin 17:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Normally I would agree with the dissent, but this is a very unusual situation. The Eagles last release was a DVD-only release called "Farewell Tour I." It contained both the track One Day at a Time and No More Cloudy Days, the latter which is included in Long Road out of Eden. Leaving the former song not part of any official Eagles album, other than the DVD. Since one of those two songs was included here, it naturally makes people wonder why the other song wasn't also included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.83.108 (talk) 20:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

UK Bonus Track
I went out and bought the album today and there's a UK bonus track, 'Hole in the World'. How do I include this in the article, and do I need to trawl the Internet to find a reference to the track's existence? John Coxon 15:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The track was also included in their 2003 release "The Very Best of." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.110.100 (talk) 06:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Charts - notable enough for article or not?
I've added some text to the "chart performance" section of the article, and this was removed, which was fair enough. However, text similar to mine is being added by other editors and now I'm wondering whether a consensus can be reached regarding the inclusion of this information. This had to do with Billboard magazine's policy change, allowing this album to be listed as #1 in the U.S. Below is my text. Can we get a yes or no on this or something similar?

"In the United States, Long Road Out of Eden benefited from a key change in a long-standing chart policy by Billboard magazine on November 7, 2007. Prior to this date, albums sold as "exclusives" to a specific retailer (in this case, Wal-Mart) were ineligible for the Billboard 200, instead showing only on Billboard's Top Comprehensive Albums chart (provided the retailer was willing to reveal sales totals).  The change in chart policy took effect with the issue dated November 17, 2007, allowing the Eagles to debut at number one. "

Any input is appreciated. — eo 18:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * While that information is useful as far as Billboard is concerned, it does not belong on this specific article for several reasons: 1) It is already included as a reference link which makes adding the text redundant.  2) There is a list of album charts for numerous countries, so adding an entire paragraph at the top of the section for the US puts the emphasis on one country.  3) This would be more of a technicality as for why the Eagles ended up at No. 1 on the Billboard 200, which they ended up at anyhow.


 * In essence, if it's already included as a reference link, then there would be no use for a separate paragraph at the top of the Charts section. However, perhaps it could be incorporated under the Background section as part of how it got to No. 1 in Billboard, rather than the top of the Charts section.  That way, the Charts section maintains what it is supposed to represent (facts and figures), while the Background section adds some more information regarding the album.  Chronologically, it could go right after the information about the first single.  SouthFerryRoad 20:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. I initially added it because I thought that it is a notable as part of the album's history, but at the same time I agree with the points above.  I was fine when you removed it a second time, but then when I saw that other people were coming in and adding the same kind of info, I figured it might be good to start a conversation here rather than reverting the article every time someone put it back in. - eo 21:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I like seeing the Billboard chart data. I have updated the sales total. According to Billboard, the sales each week have been: 711,000; 359,000; 197,000; 184,000; 313,000; 304,000; 241,000; 313,000; and 85,000, for a total of 2,607,000 through 9 weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.83.108 (talk) 06:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS HOW IS THERE MULTI PLATINUM STATUS IN THE US...7X MAKES NO SENSE IF THEY ONLY SOLD 3,500,000+ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilruthlessplaya (talk • contribs) 12:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a double album, so every cert. is counted twice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.251.8 (talk) 22:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * But isn't that rule just applied if the album lenght exceeds 100 minutes? SOAD KoRn (talk) 22:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Please check, then note it here so nobody else needs to
I just added info on the song "No More Walks in the Wood" to the bottom of the "Background" section. I know nothing about music, so I may not have worded the description of the music correctly. It would be a good idea for someone to check that. If you do, please note it here so we don't have person after person after person checking it. Thanks! Noroton (talk) 17:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Record Company
I have the album but it doesn't say anything about Lost Highway records on it and I also thought that they went through Wal-Mart only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.248.82.2 (talk) 20:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Last Good Time In Town
On my liner notes for the album it says that this track was co-written with John David Souther. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.31.20.25 (talk) 16:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

"Out" v. "out"
I noticed that the title has "out" lowercase. I saw the comments above saying it should be lowercase because it is a preposition; however, I believe there is an exception that any word in a title that is three letters or longer should be capitalized. Am I wrong? Democraticmacguitarist (talk) 20:54, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

You're not wrong. The people who changed it are having a fit over grammar usage. The proper title should have a "Out" in it, as is on the CD album cover and anything produced by the label.

Haruen (talk) 06:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Lead vocals.
Whos sang lead vocals track by track? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.8.96.84 (talk) 18:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Proper Title
Despite the preposition issue, the proper title of this page should be "Long Road Out of Eden", as that is how it appears on the album jacket and any item produced by the record company.

Haruen (talk) 06:28, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:52, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Long Road out of Eden → Long Road Out of Eden – According to our manual of style for such things, the "Out" should be uppercase ("Time Out of Mind" is listed there as a usage example.) "Long Road Out of Eden" is also the format consistently used by reliable sources. 28bytes (talk) 14:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Support per MOS and standard English-language initial caps practice (Chicago Manual of Style, etc.). Softlavender (talk) 06:38, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.