Talk:Long slow distance

Expanded text
As promised back in January, I have expanded the text for the stub and have tried to show that LSD is not just one of a number of training methods. I am aware that some of the references are rather dated, though most are still accessible. I do hope that these can be updated. However, I generally spend my editing time on other topics. The H. Marathon Clinic book is hard to find although I managed to get some photocopies by writing directly to them. I understand that they are considering posting it on their site. I do hope that others will correct, add as always. For those runners that are challenged by wikiediting, send me a text by email (click on my name to go to the user page and click on "email this user" in the column on the left of the page) and I will incorporate it. Joel Mc 17:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

HMC Rules of the road
I reverted to the original rules of the road which have been used by thousands of runners and appear in the book referenced. However, I have noted that a simpler set of rules have been put up on the clinic's website.Joel Mc (talk) 16:03, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Reversion to Ethos section
Generally it is better to propose major changes on the discussion page before making them. I have reverted because removing the ethos section changes the slant on the article. Back in January 2007 when we were discussing whether to delete the LSD stub, I wrote: "I would agree that there is little on this page. It needs to be developed.  LSD is really more of a running ethos, than a training method  such as crash training. A living example of this can be found at the Honolulu Marthon Clinic which I believe still meets every Sunday morning.  When I have a little more time I plan to add to the page. Joel Mc 09:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Long_Slow_Distance

I reported on this in the discussion above. I wrote about the HMC as it was a prime example of this ethos and I mentioned the rules since they are a good example of the approach and are a concrete example for the interested reader.

I have not blindly reverted but have included the references to Henderson's second thoughts and John Brandt's 2006 book.Joel Mc (talk) 10:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Definition of LSD
I know that the first sentence explains what long distance running is, but my question is what are the parameters needed for distance running to be considered slow, i.e. rate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrNiceGuy1113  (talk • contribs)  19:59, 24 April 2012‎ (UTC)


 * The first sentence does not explain the concept of "long distance running", but rather the concept of "long slow distance" endurance training. In running, various coaches use criteria such as percentage of VO2max, heart rate, or perceived intensity to determine the paces for various types of workouts (see, for example, Jack Daniels, Pete Pfitzinger, Brad Hudson, etc.). The article refers to the "talk test" as one method for determining a "slow" pace. In this sense "slow" cannot be tied to minutes per mile because runners become winded at different paces. An individual's "slow" or "easy" pace may also be somewhat variable depending upon how fatigued they are. Making it difficult for us building the article is that not all coaches equate the "more miles" approach to building endurance with the LSD method. I believe Pfitz, for example, indicates that long runs are not simply used to accumulate time on the feet. I think he defines the pace for long runs at 10 to 20% slower than marathon pace, which might be slower or easier than other workouts but is not necessarily slow or easy. Location (talk) 21:08, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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