Talk:Loonie/Archive 1

Manufacture
The coin blank is manufactured in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta by what used to be called "Sherritt Inc.". I'm not sure what name they use for their coinage facility now. The bronze plating uses the trade name "Aureate". The blanks are round. They take on their pentagonal shape during minting. Improperly minted coins return to Sherritt to be melted down (at least they did while I worked there). I was heavily involved in writing the software that ran the automated coin plating line. Fracture98 04:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Silver dollars
Does wikipedia have any information on canadian silver dollars pre 1968? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.53.21.25 (talk)
 * Try these: Holey dollar, Coins of the Magdalen Islands, Coins of Upper Canada, Coins of Newfoundland, Voyageur Dollar, Canadian Gold Maple Leaf, Commemorative coins of Canada, 1947 Maple Leaf, Canadian coinage. Not sure what's there, but if it is, that's where it'll be.  Also there is a search bar. <---  That way <---.  Make sure you hit search. If nothings here, you're gonna add it, right?  :)    Jo  e  I  18:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There is an article titled Canadian Silver Dollar. You can find everything there. Maple Leaf 17:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Original Loonie
I wonder if it might be better to have a photo of an original 1987 Loonie, if anyone has one available. I don't, and I also lack both a scanner and a digital camera, or I'd do it if the idea was okayed. Joe Dick 01:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

"Loony" or lunatic
The following was just added:


 * The name of this coin obviously has absolutely nothing to do with the term "loony" or lunatic.

I'm not sure this is correct. While I don't have any evidence other than personal experience, it always seemed kind of obvious to me, back when the new coin was released and the term was taking hold, that a big part of the appeal of the then-slang term "loonie" for the new dollar coin was in fact its homonymy with the word "loony". Saucepan 16:05, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. When the loonie was introduced, the switchover from the paper dollar was as unpopular as Mulroney was at the time. It was a "looney" idea, plus the loon on the front = "loonie".


 * I was definitely around when the loonie came out, and as far as I know it was called that for no other reason than because there was a loon on it. The idea of a coin for a dollar was new and strange, and people wanted something to call it other than "one dollar coin."  Joe Dick 00:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to note, both this page and common loon tried to note that the loon is 'Canada's national bird'. There is no such thing; no birds are among the national symbols. It's just well-known, due to the coin! Radagast 01:02, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC).

Actually, the Canadian Goose ("bernache du Canada" in French) and the loon ("plongeon huard" in French, actually correctly called a "common loon", "Northern diver", "diver" or "diving loon" in English, but I would suspect any connotation of a "dive" for a currency would probably not have been very auspicious, thus the shortening to "loon") are both fairly-well established canadian emblems.Ramdrake 18:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I removed this sentence:

 An anti-monarchy joke states that the coin is called the loonie "because of the crazed woman (the queen) on one side".

I did so for the following reasons:

1. Anti-monarchism had nothing to do with the introduction of the loonie, so this joke is not relevant for the same reason that the "Mul-loonie" one is.

2. The joke is not at all widespread or culturally significant in Canada.

3. I suspect that this joke was added as a way of propagating an anti-monarchist POV.

As an aside, it is my understanding that most anti-monarchists think that the problem is with that system, and do not have any personal problem with the Queen. Calling her 'crazed' seems unfounded and mean-spirited. --thirty-seven 08:16, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

I have to tell you, if people were making that Mul-loonie joke, it wasn't anywhere around where I lived at that time. I had never heard it until now. I wonder if it should even be included. It leads to the incorrect assumption that the word has anything to do with "loony." Joe Dick 01:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Circular vs. Polygonal
Loonies appear polygonal most of the time. (I think it's 11 sides, tho I would love some verfications.) But I seem to find in my wallet loonies that are (as far as I can tell) perfectly round. Does anyone know any explanations? Is it just worn down to a circle? Or is this a different mintage?


 * I think that a toonie is round, and the loonie is polygonal; or perhaps, they just get worn down with handling. --Mas  T er of Puppets Peek! 18:41, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * A toonie is round (with ridges), and a two-part coin (the center is gold coloured, the outer ring is silver). Fracture98 04:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Loonies are definitely polygonal (I felt the bumps at the vertices). If you look at the edge, you can see the bumps too. Padishar 04:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There are, in fact, 11 sides on my Loonie. (And every other one too!). Gedvondur 18:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * But the loonie pictured in this article is round with 11-sided obverse and reverse strikes, just like the Susan B. Anthony dollar. I seem to recall that the loonie is supposed to be 11-sided (I'm an American and I don't recall seeing one in person), but if so why is the one in the picture round?  It's too new to be "worn" as the earlier explanation suggests.  --RBBrittain 16:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the image is just badly cropped. You can sort of see the 11-sided shape in the edges but another image would be better.--Eloil 00:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Image:Canadian money 5.jpg shows the sides clearly but the coin is pretty beat up and the Queen picture isn't the one currently in use. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eloil (talk • contribs) 06:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

Proposed merger with Canadian dollar
Merge Loonie Canadian One Dollar Coin with Canadian Dollar

Oppose: other Canadian coins have it's own article and clearly the loonie merits it's own article. Samw 03:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Coins of the Canadian dollar should be the article for Canadian currency. The info on Canadian dollar should be merged into Loonie. Tim Long 02:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's precisely the article Coins of the Canadian dollar that links to the articles for each individual coin. Are you proposing all those articles be merged into Coins of the Canadian dollar?   We should take that up there then.  Samw 03:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I'm not suggesting that. I'm suggesting what I suggested above. The currency template links to the different coins. Tim Long 07:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clarifying (& sorry it took so long for me to understand the proposal). I still oppose.  The analogous proposal is merging United States one-dollar bill with US dollar.  For the amount of content I believe they should still remain separate.  Samw 03:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Absolutly oppose. The loonie only refers to one kind of the $1 Canadian coin. Prior to the Loonie there was the voyager dollar. Plus, the Canadian dollar article deals with the currency in general. --Kvasir 04:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This article is about a Canadian coin (that happens to be worth one dollar), not about Canada's currency (the dollar).  Merging the Loonie article with the Canadian Dollar article makes as much sense as merging the One Euro Coin article with the article on the Euro currency.  --thirty-seven 06:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose merging with Canadian dollar. More precedence:
 * United States dollar & Dollar (United States coin)
 * Pound sterling & British one pound coin
 * Thai baht & Ten baht
 * If merged, then there would be dozens of other articles that have to be merged for consistency.


 * Coins of the Canadian dollar is too long. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 09:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they probably shouldn't be merged. Tim Long 21:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Australian dollar has a separate article to the individual notes and coins: Australian 1 dollar coin, Australian 50 dollar note. One suggestion though. Perhaps the article should be titled Canadian 1 dollar coin and then the Loony page can be directed to it. J Bar 23:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose merger. More precedence:
 * I do not think that this article should be renamed to Canadian 1 dollar coin. "Loonie" is as widespread and common a name for the 1-dollar coin in Canada as the names "quarter" or "nickel" are for those coins.--thirty-seven 05:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose merger- A quick look at the articles reveals there is little overlap. If someone wanted to know more about the lucky loonie, they shouldn't have to wade through information on how historically Canadian and US currency's value has compared. Clerks. 20:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose merger- The Loonie is slang for the Canadian $1 coin. As such it should be treated as a separate article. The Canadian dollar is a measurement of currency. There's a dramatic difference between a slang word for a coin and a measurement of currency.

Loonie
New Loonie Commemorative Design:

http://www.mint.ca/store/content/productSeries.jsp?cat=Montreal%20Canadiens%20Coins&lang=en_CA&rcmeid=BWS-SEM-Search_SPL-MTL-100th-EN_Google-Canada_T_SEM|K_canadiens%20coin|A_3148973508&pdl=1

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=383325 Annihilatron (talk) 16:47, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Original Composition
Should there be an entry on the main page discussing the history of composition? From 1987 until 2006, it was brass (copper and zinc). But during 2005 and 2006, the blanks were produced by an American company in Tennessee (Jarden Zinc). Canada wanted to bring production back to its Winnipeg mint, but because Jarden Zinc now held the patent for the original composition, a new composition of copper, tin, and nickel was produced for the new blanks (the reason the newer coins [2007 onward] are so shiny compared to the originals). --192.75.95.127 (talk) 02:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

CTV Article, "The loonie's American trade secret revealed"

Move
I propose we move this to Loonie, since that is the most common term used for it. We have a separate article for the Voyageur dollar. So, it makes sense to have an article named Loonie. This article isn't about Canadian 1 dollar coins in general (as it excludes the Voyager dollar), but just the Loonie. --Rob (talk) 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

fluctuations ... what baloney
"using steel provides cost savings and avoids fluctuations in price or supply of nickel"

Avoiding fluctuations in the price of nickel? This is a deliberate and transparent lie. Nickel keeps on going up and up and up, because the value of the Canadian dollar keeps going down and down and down. It is not a matter of fluctuations it is a matter of inflation. If I wanted to read un-factual Canadian government press releases I would visit their website. I expect more neutrality from Wikipedia. At least provide a link to comments about the continuing inflation that is eroding the value of the Canadian dollar, there are many of them out there. For example: http://www.mises.ca/posts/articles/penny-polemics-and-pontifications/

No doubt the entire time that the Roman denarius had its silver content removed until it was just a copper penny, the emperors' minions kept insisting that this was a good policy because it avoided "fluctuations" in the price of silver. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.128.84 (talk) 18:08, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 20:26, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Loonie → Canadian 1 dollar coin – This page is improperly named. Loonie is a nickname and should be referenced in the lead. The page should be moved to its proper name (Canadian 1 dollar coin) with its nicknames referenced in the lead. Although it is an often used nickname this is an encyclopedia and it should be listed under it's proper name. The Montreal Canadiens wouldn't name their article The Habs. UrbanNerd (talk) 15:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This article should be merged with Canadian dollar, IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 15:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree that the nickname isn't a good name for the article, but I think "Canadian one-dollar coin" is more consistent with Canada's other currency denominations. I very much disagree with merging the articles.  PK T (alk)  16:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Per the various naming conventions, "Canadian one dollar coin" or "Canadian one-dollar coin" (with the hypen) should be used with the "one" spelled out. Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support, as per PKT and on the condition that Toonie is also moved. I am somewhat on the fence with this one but at the end of the day probably lean towards deferring to the correct name.  But it should be Canadian one-dollar coin (I believe the hyphen is required, as the "one-dollar" modifies "coin", as per United States one-dollar bill and Australian one-dollar note, but then we also have Australian one dollar coin).  And I also disagree with the merge proposal.--Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:38, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We have Sacagawea dollar and Susan B. Anthony dollar which are separate articles from the US one-dollar denomination coin article Dollar coin (United States) so, the US articles have them a separate topics. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 04:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support user PKT's concept of "Canadian one-dollar coin" naming. UrbanNerd (talk) 19:26, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose this is about the loonie, not other Canadian one-dollar coins (such as the one with the Voyageurs in the canoe). It should not be merged with Canadian dollar, because this is about a particular series of coins, which have a golden color, and usually have a loon on it, though also has had other designs. Since this is about a particular series of coins, and not the 1-dollar-coin in general, it should not be called Canadian one-dollar coin. Instead an overview of all Canadian one dollar pieces should en placed at the suggested title. In commemorative coin sets made by the Royal Canadian Mint, they still mint the Voyageur silver dollar. Indeed we even have an article on it, Voyageur dollar. Some sets even include both that and the loonie. WP:UCN, the common name is "loonie", which is even used by business reporters and reliable source financial media. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 19:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a really good point, but I would recommend that commemorative and historic one-dollar pieces be incorporated and linked from this article, once it's moved to a better title. PK T (alk)  13:23, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We have Sacagawea dollar and Susan B. Anthony dollar which are separate articles from the US one-dollar denomination coin article Dollar coin (United States) so, the US articles have them a separate topics. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 04:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - only a domestic nickname - They dont say "the loonie lost ground" in the world markets - they say the "Canadian-dollar" - just happens to be a coin here.Moxy (talk) 20:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You're conflating the currency with the physical object (the various incarnations of the coins collectively known as loonie). They're not the same thing despite having the same name. (Irrespective of this, I've noticed that the business report of several television stations do use loonie to refer to the currency to convey exchange rates.) Mind  matrix  17:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually a quick google search of pages outside of Canada does show they do very often use that name in financial articles comparing its value with other currencies etc. -DJSasso (talk) 12:20, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Current title is too Canadian-centric. Hill Crest&#39;s WikiLaser! (BOOM!) 22:58, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the lonnie is not a nickname, it is the only commonly used name of the coin. 117Avenue (talk) 01:02, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A Canadian would view it that way, but a foreigner wouldn't. Hill Crest&#39;s WikiLaser! (BOOM!) 02:52, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Since this is about the coin from 1987, and not other Canadian 1-dollar coins, the proposed title wouldn't make any sense to non-Canadians either, since the proposed title is not the subject of this article. Further WP:TIES, the name with ties to the subject (ie. the Canadian name) is used. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 04:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong Support per everyone voted "Support". Steam5 (talk) 04:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, per the fact that it is the name most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. Canuck 89 (chat with me) 06:05, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - While I agree that the article requires a more specific name I do not agree on the recommended rename as this is not the specific focus of the article. I am not Canadian so there is no personal bias here, however, the body of the article speaks about a specific coin that was minted and is not generally about the Canadian one-dollar coin. A more specific disambiguated name is preferred such as Loonie (Canadian coin) or something like that.EagerToddler39 (talk) 00:49, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, unless there is another coin called the loonie we would only need to sue loonie (coin) since there would be no other coins to confuse this with.--199.91.207.3 (talk) 15:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Why would we need disambiguation at all? Unless there are plans to move Loon or Lunatic to this name, there is no conflict over the article name requiring disambiguation.  --Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose We have a guideline specifically for this situation. Its called WP:COMMONNAME. You never hear it called the 1 dollar coin. Its always the Loonie. And redirects take care of anyone who isn't aware of the common name. I should also note that looking at a very quick google search of pages outside of Canada shows it is also a common name outside of Canada. Especially in financial articles talking about the value of it against other currencies. -DJSasso (talk) 12:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

validity
Are loonies from 1987 and toonies from 1996 still the same as coins minted up till 2011, and still usable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.100.108.76 (talk) 00:08, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. -DJSasso (talk) 13:02, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Comments
why the comparison to the US dollar coins? They are rarely seen - wouldn't it make more sense to compare to the 1 pound coin and other similarly coloured and well circulated 1 dollar/denomination coins? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.30.159.102 (talk) 11:16, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

why is there no discussion or pictures of canadian silver dollar coins? the canadian quarter page was updated with silver information.

I'm tempted to compare and contrast Loonie and Moonie -- but I'll resist for now... :-) --Ed Poor 13:16 Aug 5, 2002 (PDT)

Is it true they wanted to put a coureur des bois on the loonie but lost it? What is the source of this information?--Sonjaaa 02:31, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)

Yes! It was pretty widely reported at the time. The Steve 04:38, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

Loonie
The loonie is a canadian coin that was minted for circulation in late 1986. The first ones that are well sought after by collectors were silver in color. The Design and size were exactly the same as the 1987 Loonie but were stamped "1986" and were silver colored and not gold. I had one for the longest time but it was stolen from me. I do not know the metal composition of the first ones minted and i do not know how may were minted but I do know from having one that they exist and i have spent the time from 1986 trying to find another one to add to my coin collection. Could you please correct this on the "loonie" page as i dont know how to do a good edit myself — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.246.44.183 (talk) 20:23, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you have any reliable sources to refer to for information about this? Mind  matrix  18:47, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

shape
The description of the coin as being an 11-sided circle of constant width is confusing and self-contradictory. Circles don't have multiple sides. The coin appears to be simply circular, while the image includes an 11-sided frame or rim or I suppose there's a numismatic word for it.... PurpleChez (talk) 14:08, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * after more study of Google images...and dimly remembering copies of the coin I've seen in person...I'll admit that I'm not sure if it's truly circular or if it has 11 straight sides. But if it's the latter, it a hendecagon, undecagon, endecagon, or 11-gon, rather than a circle. PurpleChez (talk) 14:18, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It has 11 sides. Feel free to update as you're right, 11-sided circle is ridiculous. —Joeyconnick (talk) 17:32, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected: an explanation. —Joeyconnick (talk) 02:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Erm, the article describes the coin as an 11-sided curve of constant width, not circle. Resolute 20:46, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

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2017 Commemorative
To be added - a commemorative 1917-2017 100th Anniversary Toronto Maple Leafs loonie. Ref: http://www.mint.ca/store/coins/2017-1-100th-anniversary-of-the-toronto-maple-leafssupregsup-special-wrap-coin-roll-prod3070218 SquashEngineer (talk) 15:22, 6 April 2018 (UTC)