Talk:Lord Buckethead

Image
We need one! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * This is one from his website "https://www.buckethead4maidenhead.com/". MJL (talk) 12:58, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Edited. &#8213; MJL -Talk-☖  20:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This seems to have come up again. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 20:33, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I have added an image Di (they-them) (talk) 15:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Lord "Buckethead"
Yes, he is all over the place now, in all newspapers and all the tv and media in general. However, is he really a notable character or someone enjoying his 15 minutes of fame? Apparently he has been around for some time now, but has he done anything to gain notoriety beyond being just a "weird guy" that appears from time to time? I'd like to know the opinion of you guys to know if this person is really noticeble enough to get his article or is just someone enjoying momentaneous fame that will disappear in short while. Thanks! Coltsfan (talk) 11:36, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * He, or someone using the name, has been around for 30 years and is mentioned in a book from 2012, a longer mention in a 2014 book, appeared in the "Authorized Biography of Margaret Thatcher", and in John Major's autobiography. Maybe barely notable, but not someone unheard of before this election.--T. Anthony (talk) 13:13, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but been "known" is the same as been notable, per Wiki's guideline? Is this character you say has been around for 30 years 'played' by the same fellow? What has he done to gain notoriety apart from showing up from time to time in the media? He is mentioned here and there in some places, no doubt, but still might not be enough to have an article of his own. Coltsfan (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Plus, is this youtube channel that is in the article really his (whoever 'he' is)? Coltsfan (talk) 14:15, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * If you want to Prod or AfD it you can, but I think we have articles on other novelty candidates. Captain Beany, Vermin Supreme, Wizard of New Zealand, and so forth. Granted many of these are known as magicians or performance artists outside campaigns.--T. Anthony (talk) 14:42, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Lord Buckethead's 2017 seasonal song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebzooSdAbGE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:9802:A260:78EE:BDEB:D7AC:3094 (talk) 14:49, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Name
The best source for the current Lord Buckethead's real legal name is the video of the declaration for the Maidenhead constituency, embedded in the pages cited from both the Guardian and the Daily Star. What I hear in the video is "Harvey, Jonathon David, known as Lord Buckethead..." -- The Anome (talk) 10:01, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

1987 Buckethead
I suspect the claim that the 1987 Buckethead was named "Greg Lloyds" was based off of the video from the declaration. But Buckethead was running with the "Gremloids" Party in 1987 (source). I think that somebody confused "Gremloids" with "Greg Lloyds". --RobbieFal (talk) 07:19, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Character or person or multiple persons disguised as a character?
I'm surprised by the writing of the article in which WP is taking reports about this candidate face value. Is this a person who's legal name is Lord Buckethead or iss this a character played by a person of a different name? Is it the same person who's candidacy has gone by the name Lord Buckethead since the 1980s? The article implies but does not state it might have been a different person in disguise as this character than the candidate in the 2017 election. Well, is it? When so much is unknown, this article needs to be written in a neutral tone explaining what is unknown. --Oakshade (talk) 04:06, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Lord Buckethead isn't a legal name, it's a registered name for the election, if you watch the videos of the results you will see the lady say the guys real name before saying the pseudonym. The infobox was quite clear who played him and when. Govvy (talk) 14:03, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The 2017 declaration is indeed perfectly clear. The 1987 declaration doesn't identify him.  I haven't found a 1992 declaration yet. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 07:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Not a politician? satirical political activist?
In the true sense Lord Buckethead doesn't seem to qualify as a true politician, why describe him as such, Lord Buckethead is clearly a satirical political activist? Has he ever effected any change, pushed any agenda or changed any policies? I don't know why the satirical nature of the character hasn't been addressed in the article. My first problem is the very first sentence; your selection (Lord Buckethead is a British politician), that's very formal for an informal character, the lead fails to draw on the conclusion of the joke and the anti-political statement. Govvy (talk) 13:57, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I've changed the intro description to "British satirical political candidate" -- The Anome (talk) 10:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Other TV and notes?
1 In the article it says he made his TV debut on John Oliver, and also; Ahead of the election, Lord Buckethead distributed 38,300 fliers with the caption: "Strong, not entirely stable, leadership. Vote Lord Buckethead for the most powerful protest vote in the galaxy." Do you think this should be incorporated into the article? Govvy (talk) 21:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Fair use photos
Are we allowed to use fair use photos on this article? For BLPs in general, the answer is no, and surely this article is (sort of) a BLP. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Facts unclear
Okay, I read several of the latest sources. According to the "DoubleTrouble" Guardian article, Harvey is in a dispute with Todd Durham about the ownership of the character. Therefore, we need to get our facts straight here. We should not be including any statements in the article that make the implication the character played by Harvey is the same one that ran against Nigel Farage. Would anyone else agree with me here on that? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 19:52, 27 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The "facts" about Lord Buckethead have never been entirely clear, and there's a long history on this page of claims and counterclaims, rarely well supported by reliable sources. The new Guardian article helps a lot, but even so is less clear than one might hope. What we certainly should make clear is that Lord Buckethead has been portrayed by mutiple individuals at different times, and these should not be conflated.  We should also make clear that the current incarnation is not Harvey. I don't think, however, that we have sufficient grounds yet for claiming that the current incarnation is Durham, and we should be cautious about how we phrase that part, which is why I went for a direct if slightly ambiguous quotation from the article. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I didn't mean to say that it is Durham, but that Durham has re-asserted his ownership rights of this character. If anything, it is someone he connected to, but that is merely Speculation on my part. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 07:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem. I have made a few eidts but do feel free to do more.  The only thing I think we should definitely avoid is actually stating in Wikipedia's voice that the current twitter account is run by Durham. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 13:32, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Name change due to copyright
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/lord-buckethead-changes-his-name-and-announces-plans-to-run-against-boris-in-elections/15/11/ 14.200.161.39 (talk) 17:59, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


 * It might also be important to mention that another candidate took his previous name. So the former Lord Buckethead is now Count Binface, and the current Lord Buckethead is a copycat. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lord-buckethead-count-binface-uxbridge-south-ruislip-general-election-boris-johnson-a9204681.html DiegoAma (talk) 00:25, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, dang... What does that make this article about? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 02:36, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The Lord Buckethead of 2017 is actually the second Lord Buckethead so is also a copy cat.Jedi Master Bra&#39;tac (talk) 11:56, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Short description
Happy to discuss the short description being used, but WP:Short description says "The short description should be as brief as possible. A target of 40 characters has been suggested, but this can be exceeded when necessary." And the original one (from Wikidata) was 115 characters long, so not at all short. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I support the shorter text. Elizium23, apologies for not explaining the revert - I'm using the short description editor thing and it doesn't let you enter extra edit summary text, annoyingly. Popcornfud (talk) 12:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In general, I oppose short descriptions that do nothing to distinguish the topic from 10,000 others. Two words is really short. On the other hand, 115 characters was 3x the suggested limit, so I would be willing to entertain a compromise. Elizium23 (talk) 12:12, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think the purpose of the short description text is to distinguish the topic from others, but to add a tiny extra bit of context - or description - to the article title. If we can do that in two words, or even one, then so much the better. Popcornfud (talk) 12:31, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that two words is too short here. As a bare minimumum we could use "Satirical political candidate" (29 characters) but I prefer "Fictional character and satirical political candidate" (53 characters}. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Happy with "satirical political candidate" as this is what the character is best known as. Popcornfud (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)