Talk:Loser (Beck song)/Archive 1

Crappy Article
This is one awlful article. It repeats "was ranked #200 on the rolling stones greatest songs ever". Someone make it good. --24.11.213.167 05:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've fixed the source of your complaint, but, you know, you could have too, with great ease... the same edit button you used to post on this discussion page works on the article page too. -Chinju 21:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Chorus
Is the chorus phrase's meaning valid only in Spanish or is it the same in both Spanish and French? I seem to recall Dr. Demento, long long ago, making reference to the phrase being French... -Grammaticus Repairo 00:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's Spanish, not French. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.126.111 (talk • contribs) 05:20, June 30, 2007

Mentioning other songs with same name
I don't think it needs a disambiguation on the article (mentioning the 3 Doors Down and the Ayreon song), because whoever went to this article aleady went to a disambiguation or had to specifically type "Loser (Beck song)". The whole thing is redundant. So I'm removing it. --NotoriousElderly (talk) 01:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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"Track listing" ?
How can a single have a track listing? Am I missing something here?--NapoliRoma (talk) 23:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * B-sides and such. 'Loser' was the single, but the CD/cassette/whatever includes a few other songs, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hengler (talk • contribs) 11:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't that then make it an EP or similar? I think what we have here are two things: a song/single named "Loser" and an EP named Loser that includes the single.--NapoliRoma (talk) 16:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No, singles are generally released with B-Sides. Despite what iTunes may say, a single can have more then 1 track.--99.179.75.218 (talk) 20:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Date "Loser" recorded
This date has been given by editors of this article as January 1991 and January 1993. January 1991 is clearly too early; it wasn't recorded until after Beck met Tom Rothrock in August 1991 (see Julian Palacios's Beautiful Monstrosity, p. 72). However, January 1993 is clearly too late, also based on Palacios's chronology and other published accounts. It was clearly either late 1991 or early 1992. The January part of the date may be valid, so I'll make it January 1992 (which jibes with published reports that it was recorded about a year before it was released), but that is tentative and must be confirmed. I will try checking more sources. Candy (talk) 14:59, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You can only cite the dates given; you cannot make your own determination about when the song was recorded (see WP:OR). WesleyDodds (talk) 09:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, actually, I didn't determine when the song was recorded, I determined when it could not have been recorded. The printed sources I've been able to find (including Palacios, which is cited throughout the article) do not give a specific date for the recording of the song, so I can't give a source for the recording date. But the printed sources do make it clear that the date of January 1991 is wrong and clearly place the recording between August 1991 and early 1992. Since that is not a specific date, the best thing to do is to simply delete the references to when the song was recorded, because the date of January 1991 is not supported by a source reference. Candy (talk) 06:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

wrong iw
bots are constantly putting wrong interwiki links on this article (for example) can it be fixed somehow? -- zh i  le  22:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Fatboy Slim remix
Any info on the Fatboy Slim remix of this song? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.198.23.196 (talk • contribs) 16:17, April 29, 2006
 * It uses a slowed down version of the main riff, the lyrics are said in some weird European accent and different rhythm, the chorus is him screaming "Hoes!" At the end he sings the actual chorus softly in a high voice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Macarion (talk • contribs) 12:29, June 29, 2006
 * It's "panty-hose, -hose," heh. I've seen question of whether or not the remix was actually done by Fatboy Slim, but I don't have confirmation either way.  Also, anyone know why the mask was censored in Beck's original video? -Daviddp (talk) 20:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

query
I don't know anything about citing references or whatnot, but using my brain I've worked out that if the song was released on March 8th 1993, then its impossible for it to contain a sample from a 1994 film. Can any of you nerds that know how to use this crap sort it out —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.186.20.197 (talk) 17:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Kill the Moonlight was made by a friend of Beck's, Steve Hanft. I assume it was in production for some time before its actual release in 1994 and that Hanft provided the sample to Beck. It's been widely reported in articles about Beck and I see no reason to question it. Candy 20:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misscandy (talk • contribs)

Weezer cover?
I could be wrong, but didn't Weezer do a cover of this song in 2003? If so, why isn't it mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.162.72 (talk) 06:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

What the lyrics mean
In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey

(The Monkees were a pop rock quartet assembled by Robert "Bob" Rafelson and Bert Schneider in Los Angeles in 1966) (Chimpanzees are apes...during that time, he was not like the others...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.93.242.51 (talk) 14:59, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Butane in my veins and I’m out to cut the junkie With the plastic eyeballs, spray-paint the vegetables Dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose Kill the headlights and put it in neutral Stock car flamin’ with a loser and the cruise control Baby’s in reno with the vitamin d Got a couple of couches, sleep on the love-seat Someone came sayin’ I’m insane to complain About a shotgun wedding and a stain on my shirt Don’t believe everything that you breathe You get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve So shave your face with some mace in the dark Savin’ all your food stamps and burnin’ down the trailer park

Yo. cut it.

Soy un perdedor I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?

(double barrel buckshot) Soy un perdedor I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?

Forces of evil on a bozo nightmare

(Bozo the Clown is a clown character very popular in the United States; peaking in the 1950s, as a result of widespread franchising in early television.)

Ban all the music with a phony gas chamber ’cuz one’s got a weasel and the other’s got a flag One’s on the pole, shove the other in a bag With the rerun shows and the cocaine nose-job The daytime crap of the folksinger club He hung himself with a guitar string A slab of turkey-neck and it’s hangin’ from a pigeon wing You can’t write if you can’t relate Trade the cash for the beef for the body for the hate And my time is a piece of wax fallin’ on a termite who's chokin’ on the splinters

Soy un perdedor I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me? (get crazy with the cheese whiz) Soy un perdedor I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me? (drive-by body-pierce) (yo bring it on down) Soooooyy....

?em llik uoy t'nod yhw os ,ybab resol a m'I rodedreP nu yos [It's the Chorus backwards]

(I’m a driver, I’m a winner; things are gonna change I can feel it)

Soy un perdedor I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me? (I can’t believe you) Soy un perdedor I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me? (Nlehh...) Soy un perdedor I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me? (Sprechen Sie Deutsch hier, Baby!) Soy un perdedor I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me? (know what I’m sayin’? )

References: Wikipedia.org
 * I don't think the Talk section is a place to discuss the lyrics. It's a place to discuss the content of the article. Candy 20:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misscandy (talk • contribs)
 * I don't understand why signing my comments with four tildes no longer adds my signature the way it used to. It adds a signature, just not in the right way. If anyone reading this has any advice, I would appreciate it. Here come the four tildes again: Candy 20:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Meaning of Spanish lyrics
The article gives part of the chorus lyrics as Soy un perdedor, but with no indication of what that means in English. Perhaps it's considered obvious in the US, but in a lot of other English-speaking parts of the world Spanish is not so widely spoken. It would be helpful if someone who speaks a little Spanish could add a note about the meaning. Thanks.

--Qef (talk) 03:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

The Spanish part "soy un perdedor" means I'm a loser, soy being the first person form of ser, and perdedor being the noun version of the verb perder, meaning to lose

-- Cooper, a semi-fluent Spanish speaker. 15:32, 11 August 2016 (EST)

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Helmet in video?
Came here to read up on the video to see if there was a mention of a blurred image in the video. It appeared to me that Beck was wearing a Star Wars costume helmet (Stormtrooper) in a few shots. I assumed the image was blurred out to avoid copyright issues. I don't see a mention of it, though. I'm mentioning it here in case anyone else happens to think of it and wants to research further. Otherwise, no big deal. Medleystudios72 (talk) 18:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The general consensus is that yes, it was a Stormtrooper helmet. Moreover, in any related internet discussions about the topic that exist, there's some speculation that MTV itself may have been instrumental in the blurring of the image for fear of copyright infringement -- not Beck, nor his management team. I do realize it's not enough "proof" to go on, but I do remember when the video premiered uncensored in the early 1990s, and I can vouch that it was indeed a Star Wars Stormtrooper helmet -- my friends and I at the time expressed some measure of surprise that a Star Wars reference would have suddenly shown up out of nowhere, as this was in the years prior to Star Wars having had its theatrical re-release, or any of its sequels/prequels. It would certainly be interesting to see the untouched frames again, but I don't see any uploads on the web showing it, so the Stormtrooper helmet version of this video may be lost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.114.157.70 (talk) 18:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

I'M A WINNER,I CAN FEEL IT.   Isnt that George Bush?
I thought it was President George Bush speaking? Its what I always thought. Look into that.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4101:4167:3CDF:B5A5:EA01:D406 (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

This is an urban myth, of sorts: "The line that goes: I’m a driver / I’m a winner / Things are gonna change / I can feel it has been mistakenly attributed by many from Rolling Stone and KROQ to a George Bush presidential campaign speech. Much to the chagrin of director Steve Hanft, the line, in fact, comes from his ultra-indie feature called “Kill the Moonlight,” about a race car driver who’s a total loser." Thousandfold (talk) 19:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)thousandfold

Rap-Folk?
Is there really such a genre as rap-folk? I don't see an article for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C7:C201:C640:F47E:5B35:8067:73AA (talk) 14:48, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Weird Al Reference
Should there be something mentioning how Weird Al sang part of the song in his polka medley "Alternative Polka" in his album Bad Hair Day? -- Abelhawk (talk) 19:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Blender magazine or food processor?
There is a footnote reference (# 10) to the defunct magazine "Blender", and a corresponding link that goes to a literal online blender shopping website.[]. I'm not sure what to do to fix this. BingoReefer42 (talk) 02:46, 20 January 2023 (UTC)