Talk:Lost (2004 TV series)/Archive 1

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Title of article
Can we talk about what the title of this article should be?

I started it out at Lost (television drama) as to differentiate it from Lost (reality television program). At this article's present name - it could be talking about either show. Plus, now we have double redirects. What should this article be called? R ADICAL B ENDER &#9733;  20:20, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * I did not know about the reality show. Personally I have no objection to moving this article to Lost (television drama), and then the Lost (TV series) page could be a disambiguation page pointing people to the other two.  I would be happy to do the grunt work to move everything around unless you'd like to.  Sorry for the mix-up.  Ahkond 13:03, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Content moved to Lost (television drama) Ahkond 18:55, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Other TV Show Links
I noticed in one of Charlie's episodes - I think it's the one where he gets a job selling copy machines - there's mention of buying a paper company in Slough. I'm wondering if this is a reference to the British comedy show The Office which centred around a paper company in Slough. Connor Wolf

Might be. J.J. Abrams mentioned Ricky Gervais in the "Lost Revealed" documentry, so he's clearly heard of him. -Occono

Microcosm
As a writer myself, I was musing on this show, a thought occurred. When anyone is creating a ensemble story like this, building a functional (even with a touch of dysfunctionality) is the foundation to the story. This can be said of many shows on TV, books or movies. However, it is when you apply this theory not only to the construction of the characters, but the construction of the story, then we have something new.

When you build an army, you need fighters and medics, supply offers and engineers, intelligence officers and the like. In Lost, we have them all, and if we remove some of the 'clutter' (personal stories of drug addiction and babies), then we have a functional unit. Locke, the Hunter; Sawyer, the gatherer; Michael, the engineer; and of course, Jack, the Doctor. The Survivors don't have to look too far to find a solution, and ultimately the problem comes from inside their unit, rather than from outside.

The many comic book references and the presence of Mira Furlan made me think about JMS's (J. Michael Strasynski) [Rising Stars]. In this story, a special effect imbues 113 people with special abilities while they are still in their respective mothers' wombs. All the 'Specials' are granted different powers, but together they could form a unique army, able to deal with any crisis, almost anywhere. An excellent story told well. But, Lost has the same constructed dynamic.

It should be pointed out, that most shows on the US Networks have this team-building dynamic. However, their constructed teams are a reason unto themselves. Lost's dynamic appears to be itself special.

As for applying this construct to an arcing story, well, I have my own theories. I do get the impression that the Writers are sitting back and waiting for people like us to propose, reason, hammer out, point-counter-point, debate, and postulate causes and effects, thusly doing their work for them. As such I can't see any theory as being worth the wait. Telling stories is simply answering questions. As the story progresses, more and more questions become answers and the possibilities become more and more refined until we have one 'truth'. That truth, whether it be Time-Travel ('they aren't the survivors they think they are' - they survived the crash & they survived *what*) or Aliens or a variant on the Bermuda Triangle, I can only see it as a Christmas Morning disappointment. Great show, though.

Kate's Name & Nationality
Yes... IMDB lists her as "Kate Ryan." However, I do not recall her name being confirmed by any official source. The name used in WtCMB is "Maggie Ryan" and in TR is "Annie." Because of this, it seems pretty clear that Kate has a number of aliases, and the Kate referred to by the Marshal may just be another alias... and her real last name has not been mentioned. Therefore, I think it's important that we figure this out for real instead of just changing it back and forth. To begin with, does anyone have a tape of the scene in the bank where she says "My name's not Maggie?" Someone on The Fuselage says that line ends with "It's Kate." If someone can confirm it, we can at least firm up her first name. Her last name is a bigger stretch, and perhaps we can ask one of the writers about that. Baryonyx 03:37, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well. I'm not starting an edit war with someone who posts from an IP address. Especially since I'm laughing at the coincidence of seeing the real world Kate Ryan on the IGN front page this morning. It's not really that critical to life, and I've got a full schedule as it is. Good luck, all. Baryonyx 15:09, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)


 * I just checked the episode in question and "Kate" says "My names's not Maggie. (looks at bank manager) Now go." --Nosilleg 05:02, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RE: Kate's Canadian citizenship. I added a note to the character page that Kate Ryan was the also name of a famous Canadian frontierswoman -- and considering that Evangeline Lily is Canadian, it could very be likely the character is as well. However, her bank robbery took place in the US, so it is more probable that it was US--LeFlyman 03:20, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

The show will no longer cover only 40 days
The 2nd to last fact (the 1st series will cover 40 days) is not true anymore since ABC ordered a full season of the show.


 * I thought that the 40 days was based on a full series with each episode covering approximately 2 days. At this point I think the time span is too up in the air and maybe we should just dump this note until somebody figures out a complete timeline.  Ahkond 13:03, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I dropped the note about the 40 days when moving the content to Lost (television drama) Ahkond 18:55, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This is from thefuselage.com, sorry, I did not grab the direct URL to the post: Fury posted, "The first forty is our goal, biblical references intentional, but leave it to us to miscount." Fury goes on to explain this includes, "The twenty-two episode season WILL include the two-part pilot. So pilot plus twenty." (Mitluf)

From VFD
Lost (ABC TV series) This is not exclusively broadcast on ABC - SD6-Agent 11:27, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * VfD is not the forum if you don't like the title. Use Talk. R ADICAL B ENDER  &#9733;  14:08, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree. We should keep this.  -Yamla
 * I've moved this and the 2001 Lost to disambiguate by year of broadcast rather than by network. I am accordingly removing this from VfD, since there really isn't any reason for it to be here. Bearcat 18:44, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Kate and Canada, Jack a doctor?
Kate told the Australian farmer that she was Canadian, but she also told him that her name was Annie. It is reasonable to assume that anything she told him was a lie, as she was a fugitive and trying to stay hidden. Unless we get some other confirmation, we should not take her claim of Canadian citizenship at face value. There is another Kate-centric episode coming up so let's see whether we get some more of her story.

Also, even though everyone seems to agree that Jack is a doctor, it is worth noting that every time anybody asks Jack about this he is evasive. He has never actually confirmed that he is an M.D. He also knows a lot about airplaine travel, so much so that the other characters remarked on it during the pilot episode. Furthermore, he has mysterious tattoos on his arm. It is possible that Jack is a spy or a "special ops" soldier of some kind with a wide-ranging base of knowledge that would include enough medical information to deal with field injuries. There is another Jack episode coming up, so let's see whether we learn more about Jack's life before the crash.


 * There are clues that he may not be a doctor at least presently, however, there was one particular episode where he talks to Kate about overcoming fear where he in particular mentions doing some sort of surgery. We can assume that at one point in time he wanted or was a doctor. My guess, if he's not, is that perhaps he was in practice with his father, but got upset and left. So far this is probably the best guess and something that all the characters currently have in common. Jack doesn't want to be a leader/doctor. Kate doesn't want to be a fugitive etc etc whatever she's a fugitive for rather. Sayid doesn't want to be a so-called "communications" officer. Sawyer wants to get away from being the man he hates (con-man). Charlie doesn't want to be in Driveshaft. Etc etc etc. This is a common theme of all the characters. All the information about the characters is current. If Kate doesn't turn out to be actually from Canada it can be changed. If Jack turns out not to be a real doctor, it can be changed, but as of now the article is written from a current point of view and all information are "facts" that have been revealed. K1Bond007 20:00, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)


 * You're right about the common theme about people wanting go change their lives, but Kate claiming to be from Canada is not a "fact" by any means. I see no reason to assume that this is true, and the fact that a US Marshal (not the RCMP or some other Canadian authority) was retrieving her from Australia tends to suggest that she's an American.  Anything she said to the farmer should be assumed to be a cover story and not a "fact".  I forgot about Jack talking about performing surgery, but then again he could have been lying or maybe he performed emergency field surgery in the middle of a military operation ... Jack's occupation is still a mystery.  In any case we only have a few weeks to wait until another "Kate" episode and another "Jack" episode and I'm sure we all look forward to updating our information then.  Ahkond 14:31, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Given the variety of medical diagnoses and proceedures Jack has successfully attempted on the show, not to mention his wide knowledge of drugs and medical equipment, it seems extraordinarily unlikely that he is not a physician of some sort. One can take caution to such extremes that discussion about the show becomes impossible; can we trust the flashbacks as being "real," for example? (My wife, to take another example, is convinced that Kate is not actually a fugitive, but that the man who "arrested" her was some sort of stalker. And indeed, a close review of the episode finds no "evidence" either way.) Speaking of which, to flip the argument about Kate's nationality around, how do we know that Shannon is American, and not Canadian?


 * Naturally everything is up for debate at some level. As intelligent humans, the best approach is to use common sense and try to stay reasonable and open-minded.  With this show I am trying to take everything at face value, as it is presented, unless I have some specific reason to doubt something.  I am assuming that Kate was lying about Canada because she had a reason to lie -- she was on the run.  I am assuming that Jack may not be a doctor because he is evasive about it, but that could be for a lot of reasons.  Until such time as we know for sure that he is a doctor I am more comfortable with more cautious language like the current "apparently a doctor" line that someone came up with.  On the other hand, I have no reason to doubt the veracity of the flashbacks, and I have no reason to doubt that the U.S. Marshal was anything other than what he seemed, because nothing has given me reason to doubt those things.  As for Shannon, you're right, we don't know for sure where she and Boone are from.  Feel free to remove the nationality note from their names in the cast list.  Ahkond 03:55, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * In the first episode, Jack said he is a doctor, during the first twenty minutes of the show! -- Judson 04:10, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Great! Do you have a tape or can someone else confirm this from a tape or TiVo copy?  If I'm remembering this wrong then I'm happy to be corrected.  Ahkond 20:28, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Pulled out the tape to check - Jack says it when he asks Kate to stitch him up. ("Look, I'd do it myself - I'm a doctor - but I just can't reach it.") I didn't remember him flat-out saying it either, but I'll admit I didn't doubt he was a doctor until stumbling upon this discussion. Hedgey42 09:43, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Thank you.  I have changed the page.  Sorry for all the trouble, everyone.  Ahkond 04:11, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Incase there is still any doubt about Jack being a real practicing doctor, he was doing surgery, in an operating room in the Cowboys episode -- he also had a white coat on with his name and the letters M.D. on it.

Pilot episode cost?
There's an interesting New York Times article about J.J. Abrams that cites the pilot budget as around $12 million (instead of $5 million). Can either figure be confirmed? - Hedgey42 19:02, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Never mind - someone's already updated the article with information from the Entertainment Weekly cover story on the show, including a cost of $11 million-plus. --Hedgey42 02:24, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Island Inhabitants
Should the Trivia section now state "At least two people were on the island before the crash"? Now that its basically confirmed that 'Ethan' wasn't on the flight. Should it say something akin to "An unknown amount of people might have been on the island before the plane crash, with two confirmed thus far." ?


 * How about "So far, it has been confirmed that two other people were on the island prior to the crash." Then again, it occurred to me while writing the synopsis that we only know for sure that Ethan was not on the LIST of people on the flight... at least until the next episode. In any case, I think it might be safe to assume that no one who claims to be Canadian actually is. ;) --Hedgey42 08:19, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

There are 45 survivors but not the way that the article says. There were 48 survivors when it crashed, not including the pilot, because no one knew he was alive. However, they thought that Ethen was a Survivor so it was 47. Then the Marshall died making it 46, and the woman dies making it 45. Right? As for the number of people on the island before the crash, it might have been well over 2. They are hinting that there might be many more around. Headrattle 00:17, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * But perhaps Ethan only showed up after they did that count of 48. Gamaliel 08:01, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Something seems a bit off here. IIRC, in White Rabbit, after Joanna was gone, someone came up to Jack (think it was Hurley) and said something about "48 of us," to which Jack responded, "47. There are only 47 of us now." If I am remembering this correctly, NONE of the people prior to White Rabbit counted as survivors, which also means that Ethan could have been counted. This means that the pilot (which, BTW, Charlie, Jack, and Claire never told the others that the pilot had been even temporarily alive) and the Marshal do not count. Therefore, the actual count is either 46 or 45, depending on when Ethan appeared and whether he was counted among the 48. So, if I'm right about White Rabbit, the counts here and on the Characters of Lost page are wrong. Baryonyx 19:42, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, after checking around, I found this bit on TV Tome pertaining to White Rabbit, stating that with Joanna's death there are now 46 survivors. The first survivor death is thus the Marshal. The second is Joanna. The third is Scott. The fourth may or may not be Ethan, which is up in the air. The pilot is not counted as a survivor. Baryonyx 06:37, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * You are close. From the White Rabbit transcript: "JACK: Forty-six.  There's forty-six of us now."  This means 46 - Scott = 45. Oddly, they do not include Ethan in the count -- at least according to Matt Ragghianti. (Mitluf)

I got a reply from Writers Assistant Matt Ragghianti on thefusalage.com about this. Matt, with the other Writers Assistant Dawn Kelly, write the Diary and are responsible for research. According to Matt, "The 48 DO NOT include the guy sucked into the plane, Ethan, the Co-Pilot. They DO include the Marshal." And about "Tourniquet Man" Matt says, "Even I'm not sure what happened to Tourniquet Man." So, think we need to assume Tourniquet Man survived, and that the count is now 45 (48 - 3 (Marshal, Joanna, and Scott). (Posted by Mitluf).

Driveshaft
The article states Charlie as being the bass player for the UK band Driveshaft. But isn't Charlie Australian? Which would make the band from Australia, unless I'm being misinformed. -- The KoG | Talk 22:37, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that the band is from the U.K. and his brother moved to Australia to settle down. Charlie then flew to Australia to get his brother to rejoin the band. Anyone else? K1Bond007 23:17, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)


 * The band was started in the UK. I believe it was Kate that said "Driveshaft, that English band?" in the Pilot.


 * OK, I was misinformed. Charlie is from Manchester, which means DriveShaft IS from the UK. -- The KoG | Talk 14:02, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)


 * Driveshaft is probably meant to be Oasis: two brothers of Irish extraction from the North of England in a famous 1990s band that burns out and vanishes -- User:Paul From Ottawa

It seems here and in some forums people seem to forget to add that guy who was sucked into the jet engine as someone who died. Also, how about that guy whose leg was cut off?

Dead
How about that guy who was sucked into the jet engine as one of the dead?


 * Presumably there were multiple deaths in the immediate aftermath of the crash - people were running around, things were falling over and blowing up, people were bleeding. The count starts when the immediate emergency was over and the survivors took a head count.  Ahkond 17:23, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * IIRC, Jack tells someone who's asked about the "leg guy" that he thinks the person will be OK - I think this is later on in the pilot (2-hour version). Hedgey42 08:23, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Split Cast and Character Sections?
I propose that we take the current Cast section and split it into two sections. One would link the actor to the character and the other would provide information on the character. This isn't a Lost fan site, so we probably don't need to have separate pages for each character (although this is the case for some shows such as the X-files). The first season is only half over and we already have a large amount of background information for some of the characters. I believe a separate character section would be the best place to put this info. Carrp 17:18, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't disagree. I think there should be a seperate page called "Characters of Lost" or something where each has a small section devoted to the character. On the Lost main article, it would just list the cast and their character's name (nothing more) with a link at the top of the section to "Characters of Lost". Would be similar to Episodes of Lost. K1Bond007 18:18, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)

Untitled Episodes
I've added the Locke (Episode 19) and Jack (episode 20) to the episode guide. Please stop removing these two episodes from the page. They are confirmed; we just haven't received the titles.


 * They're eventual episodes, but they haven't been titled or announced. Please list a source or I'll remove them again shortly. K1Bond007 03:23, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)


 * Source: http://spoilerfix.com/lost.php

Scott and Steve
Okay, I must admit I'm going a bit crazy here: at IMDB.com it states that Christian Bowman played "Steve" in The Homecoming. However the individual who plays "Scott" (Dustin Watchman) hasn't appeared or been credited since The Moth. Christian Bowman has stated numerious times on TheFuselage.com that he was playing "Scott" in an upcoming episode, of course referring to The Homecoming. Could it be that Steve really died and that Scott doesn't want anyone to know he's alive? --Spunkz 04:12, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm interesting. I was curious why they kept beating that drum about how his name was easily confused. It felt so out of place and forced. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some truth to this. K1Bond007 04:57, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Character page
Does anyone oppose to a character page, similar to the episode page, where the chracters can have a proper small biography? What we have on the main article doesn't do them justice and the big table we have is starting to become irrelevant (IMO) since some upcoming character centric episodes have already explained why they were on the flight and some episodes haven't explained it at all. We could also keep a running tally of the deceased and the minor chracters like Scott and Steve on this chracter page, detailing which episodes they were killed etc.

Thoughts? K1Bond007 04:54, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree. The depth of the show and its characters is getting pretty thick. The writers are no longer trying to give us the same details of why they were on the plane as they seemed to be doing with the first handful of flashback episodes. It's moved to a place where the flashbacks explain the character's motivations. Keeping all this exposition to one line behind the character's name seems silly. --Spunkz 06:07, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree as well. We may eventually get to a point where the character plots are thick enough to spin them each to a separate page (as has happened for a variety of shows), but they're already getting pretty large information wise. As Spunkz noted, we've moved beyond reasons for being on the plane (which we haven't even gotten yet for Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, and Jin), to character studies. Also, Ethan and Danielle are pretty sizeable characters in their own right, but are unlikely to get flashbacks. And I'll still bang the drum for Vincent being a character. He may not do much, but he always seems to appear and disappear at inopportune moments.Baryonyx 21:07, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * Makes sense to me. I would say go ahead and remove the big table as part of this.  Ahkond 21:20, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * This is a good idea. Although I originally thought a character section would be enough, I now believe that it deserves a page. Here's some information I think should be included for each character:


 * Name
 * Age
 * Profession
 * Place of origin
 * Reason for being in Australia
 * Reason for being on Flight 815
 * Previous connection(s) with other characters
 * Special talents


 * Of course there also needs to be a synoposis detailing what the character has done since the crash. Carrp | Talk 22:08, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, given that several of the larger editors seem to be on board, I went ahead and started the page, just so it's done and we can begin. I have, for now, laid out a basic idea for format, and used the current text, which I expect will be changed very rapidly. Once we have more info on that page, I'd say we can remove the listing here. Just wanted to get it rolling. :) Baryonyx 22:26, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Continuity in Pilot
On 6 Feb @ 08:21 I inserted this into the Trivia entry:


 * "A continuity error ended the first (pilot) episode. In the final scene a woman sees the pilot's wings badge at the edge of a puddle on the track. The camera takes her eye's point of view as she crouches to look at it; she sees, as the audience does, reflected in the water of the puddle, the body of the pilot caught high in a tree - which must be ahead of her. However, she rises and turns to look at this behind her. Fade to credits."

On 8 Feb @ 05:24, 68.162.84.101 removed it without comment.

Does someone have access to the episode who can refute my claim of this continuity error? Otherwise, I'll reinstate it. The clock is ticking (45:03). Peter Ellis 01:45, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * This doesn't seem noteworthy IMHO. It's a minor "goof" that really doesn't need special mentioning on this article. There are literally TONS of these sort of things in TV shows, movies etc. If it MUST be added don't add it here. Add it to Episodes of Lost for that specific episode, but I generally disagree with adding it anywhere. K1Bond007 02:00, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * This hardly seems significant enough to include in an article on the entire show, and I think it might even be too minor for an article on that single episode. Gamaliel 03:09, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You All Everybody vs Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody
Anyone else notice the two seem eerily similar? You all everybody lines up with the lyric that goes goodbye everybody. Similar chord structure, rhythm, even lyrics. Any reason for this, or just coincidence?-- Etaonish 19:55, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Connections from Flashbacks
Locke to Hurley [19, Deus Ex Machina]: Locke's Mother Emily was institutionalized for schizophrenia at the "Santa Rosa Mental Health Insitute", which is the same institute that Hurley visits, and is suspected of being a patient there himself.

Sawyer to Hurley [18, Numbers]: The girl that Sawyer was about to hook up with before Hibbs distracted him was the same girl that drew the lottery numbers on Hurley’s tv.

Hurley to Locke [18, Numbers]: Hurley owned a box company in Tustin, CA. Locke worked at a box company and has said that he spent most of his life in Tustin.

Hurley to Jin [17, ... In Translation]: When Jin went to deliver a message, the Minister’s daughter was watching the news on tv, and Hurley winning the lottery was the story.

Boone to Sawye[13, Hearts and Minds]r: When Boone went to the police about Shannon, Sawyer was being brought into the police station.

Sawyer to Jack [8, Confidence Man]: Sawyer met Jack’s dad in a bar in Australia

Jin & Sun to Jack [5, White Rabbit]: you can see the couple in another line at the airport as Jack tries to convince the airline to take his father's casket on board.

Diary Writer (on official site) to Joanna: In a diary entry after Joanna drowns, the Diary Writer mentions that she had dived with Joanna, and that Joanna had switched seats to sit next to the Diary Write on the plan to talk about the trip. Obviously, both are from the U.S. (note: Diary writer is from Louisiana).

Jack to Rose [1, Pilot]: Jack sat with Rose on the plane and held her hand during the first signs of turbulence -- Rose's husband had gone to the back of the plane to use the bathroom and the plane crashed before he returned.

Is there a character connection in every flashback? If so, there are quite a few missing from above.


 * I did some more research on actors who are showing up in more than one background roll and it seems to happen fairly commonly. This means the "connection" perceived to be between Sawyer to Hurley due to the same actress appearing my not have been intended. Here is a list of other occurances:
 * Geoff Heise is credited simply as "Man" in the Pilot, but also playt the Doctor in the morgue in White Rabbit.
 * Meilinda Soerjoko plays Chrissy the Ticket Agent in both House of the Rising Sun and White Rabbit. She is also credited as Chrissy in Walkabout, but I have not spotted her yet, it may be a goof in the credits.
 * Achilles Gacis plays both Six Foot Five (the tall gunman in the bank robbery) in Whatever the Case May Be and an Orderly in Numbers.
 * Michael Adamshick plays both the Lottery Official in Numbers and an Anesthesiologist in All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues.
 * Ans of course we have Brittany Perrineau as Mary Jo the Lotto Girl in Numbers and credited only as "Woman" (the one Sawyer brought to room, but was interuprted by Hibbs) in Outlaws. (posted by Mitluf)


 * The Christian/Sawyer interaction occurred in Outlaws, regardless of any earlier intimations that they may have met (the main one being Hearts and Minds). They certainly did NOT meet in Confidence Man, which instead focused on his failed con operation on a family remarkably similar to his own. Also, Jack and Rose did not have any real connection prior to the flight. Saying that they had a connection simply because Jack spoke to her is the equivalent of saying that Charlie had a connection to Jack because he rushed past him, and Locke had a connection because he sat behind Rose. A "connection" should only be attributed to seeing our core characters (including important secondary ones) interacting pre-flight. --Baryonyx 05:32, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

It's Jack Shephard not Shepard
It's Jack Shephard not Shepard. Please do not change back. If you doubt this, then check this page:

What is Trivia
I removed the trivia "the heroin that Charlie snorts is really brown sugar". This is really sub-trivia. This is a TV series, so everything in it is faked. We don't want to have to add trivia like "when Ethan was shot, the actor wasn't really killed". DJ Clayworth 15:22, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Numbers, Numbers, Numbers...
I have altered the section pertaining to the numbers in Themes, removing the following:

Reasoning: there is a wide array of manipulations of the numbers, and an even larger number of interpretations on what it all means. For example, they all add to 108, and 108 is 6² + 6² + 6². Or, the connection that various equations using five of the numbers will give you the 6th. Or, any of the many others being debated over on The Fuselage. To give precedence to any one manipulation on this page is improper to say the least.-- Reasoning: as far as I know, this is a supposition, albeit one with strong evidence. I believe it's a "Connection" myself (in fact, it was instantly what I thought when I heard it in the episode), but it would therefore belong in the characters section of trivia, and not themes. If there is concrete evidence linking Locke to the box company (and merely saying Locke grew up in Tustin, the company is in Tustin isn't enough... there could be more than one box company in Tustin...), it should be put back in. Reasoning: again, "some suppose" and a real connection are two different things. While not impossible, I'd characterize this as more speculation than fact. Reasoning: another supposition based on the fact they were played by the same actress, except we have other examples of multiple very minor characters being played by the same actor. This is a fairly big leap in logic based on a connection made outside the Lost universe.
 * Interestingly enough, the first five numbers of the sequence add up to make 66. The digits of the last number--the Powerball number--add up to make 6.
 * During Hurley's trip to see his accountant we learn he owned a number of companies, one is the box company that Locke worked for
 * another is shoe company in Canada that burned down -- some suppose there is a connection to Ethan Rom as there was a close up of his shoes and he mentioned he purchased them in Canada.
 * The blonde woman that Sawyer was trying to grift was the woman who announced the lottery numbers.

All in all... there is a ton of wild speculation going on about these numbers all over the place. There's enough speculation going on to fill a Wikipedia article, I'm sure. But, that's not what Wikipedia is for, and even small little things like these notions can quickly get all blown up to be factual by people who cite Wikipedia for reference. For a show as speculative (at this stage) as Lost, I think that we have to be responsible about the info we're putting up. -- Baryonyx 07:39, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

Looking at any set of numbers and you'll find a pattern. While some have postulated to their being a divine reason behind it all, these pattern can be evidence of a lack of a God at all (patterns are to be expected in highly developed systems, etc.)